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Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by vachina »

halapro wrote: post #133
kryogen1c wrote: post #55

The fact that, on expensive hardware, I can hit windows+r and start typing before the run box renders/loads is staggering, it beggars belief. Im generally a microsoft shill, but theyre really on the down hill slope. windows 11 is truly a masterpiece of changes no one asked for or wants, Teams is the least reliable piece of business software I've ever seen. New outlook does not have feature parity with old outlook and…

As a dinosaur, it might finally be time for the Linux desktop

Ironically MSFT is surviving off of dinosaurs. Legacy companies pumping it with Office 365 suite and Copilot subscriptions.

They’re toast without them.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by cmxch »

user____name wrote: post #129
duskdozer wrote: post #37

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If you have to use windows, 10 LTSC IOT version has support until 2032, and you can remove most of the bloat.

Iirc only businesses can buy that and you cannot upgrade hardware.

Form an LLC and present yourself as a small business interested in IoT.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by antisthenes »

marcosdumay wrote: post #221
dataflow wrote: post #121

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I mean, the point is to make it usable. You can set up scheduled tasks where needed. I haven't had to re-disable stuff after that, but I've jumped through a lot more initial hoops than most people are willing to.

I tried this when Win 7 was new, and it worked great. Then I tried it when Win 10 was new, and it was a complete useless waste of time. In a week it was too slow to use again. I still haven't used Windows since Win 10 support ended, and have no idea how bad Windows 11 is for people to declare Win 10 "super fast" all over the internet. But I don't have any hope it will accept any setup I want. Win 10 already didn't.

Win 10 IOT LTSC is supported for 6 more years, so support didn't really "end".

That being said, W10 (or W11 for that matter) will never be as fast a Win 7 was on an SSD in the 2010-2020 era, even with all the hacks and debloat scripts available in many places on the Internet.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by vachina »

dataflow wrote: post #73

Windows 11 is fast enough if you... disable a million things on it that >99% of users wouldn't know when/how to, or wouldn't want to. Definitely depressing.

> disable a million things on it

I simply stayed on Windows 10 and I don’t seem to miss any feature thus far lol

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by spwa4 »

dmitrygr wrote: post #135
ncpa-cpl wrote: post #120

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And Calc! It takes about 5 seconds to load. And search is so unreliable mixing web and local results.

I still use a copy of Calc.EXE from Windows 2000 that I just move from machine to machine. It stopped being useful after that. That old one is nice. Hex mode. Starts quickly.

I have a derive.exe from 1996 that I still use. TI's calculator, as an incredibly fast windows app that's like 20% of wolframalpha.

And to think on all "modern" OSes you can't even do that. Neither Android nor IOS let you do this in any way shape or form. Even with portable webapps it doesn't work, as webapps go offline. And microsoft clearly wants to create this situation too (last brute force attempt was windows home)

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by user205738 »

Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #225
doodlesdev wrote: post #47

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Why would you go for a random Linux distribution backed by DHH (a Ruby developer) instead of a established upstream distribution such as Debian or Fedora?

Because of hyprland. There aren't many alternatives with hyprland (or niri) preconfigured for you

It's not such a difficult task to set up hyprland. And niri doesn't even need to be configured, the default configuration performs all the required tasks.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by ultra2d »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #102
thesnide wrote: post #21

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I'm now even using wine & proton for it. Thanks to Valve only very few games don't work. And it's not that i don't like windows, it is just too damn slow for me. And no. I do not want to upgrade my gear every 2 years or so

All the games that "don't work" are the games that PEOPLE ACTUALLY PLAY! It's always hardcore multiplayer games with the actual crowd. Using linux for gaming is a great way to continue down the path to becoming a recluse.

It really depends on what you play. I've been playing online co-op regularly with a bunch of friends since Covid times. We're jumping to new (well, on sale) games regularly, and the only recent time I booted to Windows was because a 4-player mod for Remnant II _might_ not work on Linux. Can't remember the previous game that did not work on Linux. I'm so used to things working without major tinkering that I forget to check protondb most of the time.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by novaleaf »

pxoe wrote: post #232
spikej wrote: post #36

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Even without the AI, it's replacing native apps with web based ones. Case in point: Notepad. It's slower than WordPad on Win 10... and crashes!

What does notepad have to do with web based apps? case in what point? New Notepad in 11, with tabs and autosave (and dark mode), is so much better and more practical to use over old one, it just stays open all the time and become my main notetaking pick. It may take a beat to open a big file (1+ mb) with line wrapping, but it's pretty much just as fast as anything (and may be even faster than some other editors). It'…

I see you were fortunate enough to not use notepad aprox 5 months ago, when they were running the rich formatting preview. It was on by default, and would drop around 5% of the characters you type. Literally failing at the only thing it's supposed to do. I repro'd this on 2 out of 2 machines.

Maybe they fixed it, maybe they haven't. I both turned off formatting and am using vscode for notes now.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by Mathnerd314 »

skrebbel wrote: post #197
Flux159 wrote: post #15

"What Andy giveth, Bill taketh away" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_and_Bill%27s_law On a more serious note, I really only use Windows for games & I'm still always frustrated with how many updates (& restarts during updates) Windows needs. My fans are always constantly spinning on Windows too (laptop or desktop) whereas my Mac & Linux machines are generally silent outside of heavy load.

This is common for any self-updating software that you use infrequently. A friend of mine complained that he hated how Firefox "always" wants to restart with an update. I couldn't understand what he was on about. Turned out I use Firefox daily and he uses it like once every 2 months to test something and yeah, Firefox has an update out every 2 months or so, so that fits. It's the same with Windows (and, I assume, mac…

I update Linux maybe once a year. Sure, there are security vulnerabilities. But I'm behind a firewall. And meanwhile, I don't have to spend any time dealing with update issues.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by mhjkl »

api wrote: post #83
spikej wrote: post #36

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Even without the AI, it's replacing native apps with web based ones. Case in point: Notepad. It's slower than WordPad on Win 10... and crashes!

The reason for this is that it's hard to hire native UI developers, but easy to hire web devs. Something like 90% of all new devs today learn only cloud-native backend dev or web frontend dev. The only exceptions tends to be mobile and game developers. Collectively cloud+web, mobile, and games account for like 98% of all new devs it seems. Nobody learns anything else. The web is going to become the desktop UI in the…

The reason is that the web empire is just better at operating systems than Microsoft. If they just had less bad development tools for native UI this would not be a problem. Look at what Google does with Android, or Apple.
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