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At 100k per person per month it's 400k per month (the actual cost is higher. 100k in salary is easily 150k with all the taxes included). Times that by 12...
100k/mo is off by an order of magnitude. I’m sure some lucky people are raking in 1.2M p.a., but doubt the tailwind devs were.
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They don't only make TailwindCSS. They also make a large collection of components and templates at https://tailwindcss.com/plus
Yes but Tailwind Plus has a flawed business model, AI was not really the reason nobody bought it, it's that it's a lifetime purchase and that shadcn + LLMs has eaten their cake left right and central. If LLMs didn't exist but shadcn still did, do you think people would pay and use Tailwind+ or shadcn?
The problem is that Tailwind is extremely portable (thats why it's so popular) and since LLMs have been fed all TailwindUI code... people using LLMs don't even have to know that TailwindUI exists they just get some Tailwind styled components. They would probably look pretty confused if you told them you used to buy these templates.
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The question is still why you need multiple devs worth 150-250kpa to maintain a CSS library.
The question isn't "what is the lowest cost that a CSS library could be maintained for" The question is rather, how can the most popular UI system (especially for AI models) have a healthy business model? Think of the immense value that Tailwind is bringing to all the companies and developers using it. Surely there should be a way for the creators to capture a small slice of that in our economic system.
Like others earlier in the thread I'm symphatetic to this company/project, but your code/project being referenced often in AI output in itself doesn't imply that the thing needs to be a business.
bash, curl, awk, Python code with numpy imports, C++, all sorts of code is constantly being generated by AI, doesn't mean curl or numpy should be its own company, or that the AI Labs need to fund them.
As other fave written, making $1M+ already feels like a lot, maybe this shouldn't be a company, just 1-2 people who have a great time supporting this thing. I wonder if curl or awk have that kind of funding even..
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Let's say you're paying your devs $100k / year. All in costs on those devs are probably $150k or so. That means your $1m / year will fund 6 full time developers with a little left over. This podcast from the CEO[1] says their engineering team was 4 people and the remaining staff is the 3 owners, the 1 remaining engineer, and one part time customer support person. So assuming every full time person was costing $150k i…
The question is still why you need multiple devs worth 150-250kpa to maintain a CSS library.
This is more a question about the business model of open source, which has always had some challenges. I don't think you can support OSS with premium templates, training, and support once the knowledge is baked into LLMs.
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At 100k per person per month it's 400k per month (the actual cost is higher. 100k in salary is easily 150k with all the taxes included). Times that by 12...
100k/mo is off by an order of magnitude. I’m sure some lucky people are raking in 1.2M p.a., but doubt the tailwind devs were.
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100% agree. If an open source project needs money to run, then isn't that defeating the purpose of being open source? Open source is a gift economy. If the owner can monetise it on the side then that is just a bonus.
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Yes but Tailwind Plus has a flawed business model, AI was not really the reason nobody bought it, it's that it's a lifetime purchase and that shadcn + LLMs has eaten their cake left right and central. If LLMs didn't exist but shadcn still did, do you think people would pay and use Tailwind+ or shadcn?
What’s the problem with the lifetime purchase?
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If you can find a way to do it better or cheaper you’re welcome to try. No one else has. Don’t think it’s a small problem. The number of user agents and platforms supported by Tailwind would melt plenty of larger organizations.
Maybe we accidentally found a more meaningful chance for having a discussion about LLMs. As CSS is limited in scope, ultra-well defined, testable and declarative, this should be a home run for LLMs.
Are we talking about the same CSS?
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> 3 motivated developers and a designer Curious how much cash folks think it takes to cover this headcount. I have a feeling people are wildly underestimating the cost of a team this size.
At 100k per person per month it's 400k per month (the actual cost is higher. 100k in salary is easily 150k with all the taxes included). Times that by 12...
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> shadcn is built on top of Tailwind. If Tailwind dies, so does shadcn. They can fork tailwind into openwind and keep using the stable version for a looong time with minor fixes. And that would probably benefit shadcn somewhat since they would have more control.
And how would you adjust Shadcn salaries to account for this additional work? Do we expect open source labour to be subsidised by maintainers while the rest of us find work at FAANG?
It would be in their best interest to keep "openwind" stable since changes to the CSS lib would require extra work in their component.
Different incentives.