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Swapping SIM cards used to be easy, and then came eSIM

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Re: Swapping SIM cards used to be easy, and then came eSIM

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I am quite annoyed by the people who don't see the issue with eSim because "they never had an issue" with it. It's like having one murder down your block and stating that you don't see the issue because nobody attempted to murder you so far. ESim are backed up as part of iCloud backups, had one dodgy carrier in Europe (Lyca) who never activated my eSim so I switched back to a new carrier but I had to get a transfer a…

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Re: Swapping SIM cards used to be easy, and then came eSIM

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eSIM is also great for travel. There's a lot of competition on price and it's easy to check esimdb to find the cheapest carrier that meets your needs for a given trip. Download the eSIM in advance and you're good to go as soon as your plane lands

Unfortunately there's not much competition on providing low-latency data connections, so most travel esim providers don't advertise where their connections route through. It's not great when you're travelling and all your connections to local sites get routed through and geo-located to a different continent.

True but it can be an advantage as well. Some countries highly restrict what you van do on the internet and a roaming card bypasses that. For example UAE doesn't allow calls via WhatsApp but foreigners can do it fine this way, no need for VPNs even (though a foreign roaming kinda acts like a VPN in the geolocation sense)

Re: Swapping SIM cards used to be easy, and then came eSIM

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Unforunately they're "downscaling" their operations in Europe, so I guess they're having trouble competing with other phones: https://www.gsmarena.com/is_sony_pulling_its_smartphone_busi...

They've always had uncompetitive pricing. I'm not surprised sales are low.

Yes and their update policy really sucked compared to the competition while their price was the same or even higher. They've only fixed that recently but it was too late. This was the main reason I never got one.

Re: Swapping SIM cards used to be easy, and then came eSIM

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> I didn’t have to try to track down my sim slot key, This made me laugh.

Why? Because you can use pretty much any slim pointy object you can find?

Yes and with some brands like Sony you can just use your nail.

Re: Swapping SIM cards used to be easy, and then came eSIM

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For what it's worth, this is entirely a carrier problem and has little to do with the technology. Various people and the article have outlined some bad experiences but to give a contrasting example: Digital Republic, a local MVNO here in Switzerland, allows you to replace your eSIM by simply logging into their web portal with TOTP-based 2FA and clicking a button. No SMS, no contact with support, no reidentification.…

The flaw with the technology is that it is designed so you need the co-operation of your carrier, when previously you did not. Indeed, for the first versions moving a sim profile could not even be initiated independently by a user, but required them to contact support. Now there is the "device change" protocol which can be triggered by an app on the phone, but I think it still requires the co-operation of carrier ser…

> Now there is the "device change" protocol which can be triggered by an app on the phone, but I think it still requires the co-operation of carrier servers.

And it won't work if your phone is broken, while a regular SIM could still easily be removed.

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I just bought a newer phone and was surprised to see even the ~$200 Samsungs were lacking a headphone jack. That threw them right out of contention, so I ended up getting a 2024-model Motorola (the 2025s were $50 more and reviews said they offered no meaningful performance boost).

I get it, but the quality of headphones with cords has gotten so bad that the male jacks wouldn't last more than a few months. My son has gone through an untold number of corded headphones because his school iPad is too locked down to use bluetooth ones.

You can spend a little more and get headphones with a replacable cord, and replace the cords if they get broken. Or maybe take the time to solder new connectors onto broken cords.

Re: Swapping SIM cards used to be easy, and then came eSIM

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Verizon (and their MVNOs) eSIMs are the worst. Registration is tied to IMEI and enforced via the eSIM's EID. You can't use one if those "physical" eSIMs because if you give Verizon a donor IMEI during registration, the EID of the eSIM doesn't match and activation is rejected.

Verizon even does something like that with physical SIMs. My father got a new phone and we moved the SIM card to it. Some things worked, some didn't. Called customer service, they said you can't just move the SIM like that!

Ended up switching to AT&T.

Re: Swapping SIM cards used to be easy, and then came eSIM

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On the other hand, international roaming has become so much cheaper now that swapping SIMs when you travel is no longer necessary. The legacy carriers still try to fuck you over, but MVNOs and dedicated travel SIMs offer amazing rates: I can get a year of roaming across 120 countries for around US$15.

There's also BNESIM who say they don't expire at all. I've only had one for a short time so I haven't tested that but so far it lives up to the promise.

Re: Swapping SIM cards used to be easy, and then came eSIM

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I am quite annoyed by the people who don't see the issue with eSim because "they never had an issue" with it. It's like having one murder down your block and stating that you don't see the issue because nobody attempted to murder you so far. ESim are backed up as part of iCloud backups, had one dodgy carrier in Europe (Lyca) who never activated my eSim so I switched back to a new carrier but I had to get a transfer a…

Is this because of an older version of iOS or specifically because of the shitty carrier? I can add and remove esims from my iPhone. I just recently added one for my new 17 Pro Max. It prompted me to login to Verizon and it "just worked". There is an option right there to delete the Verizon esim. Nothing restricted or difficult about it.

Re: Swapping SIM cards used to be easy, and then came eSIM

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The problem with SIMs is that they aren't just credentials and config. They are full applications. Imagine if you needed to run a custom program to connect to every wifi network. It is bonkers. It is absurdly complex and insecure. A "SIM" should just be a keypair. The subscriber use it to access the network.

It’s more complicated because it has to include logic about which network to connect to and how to tunnel back to the original provider (or partner) while roaming. So it’s more like: which network to connect to, keys, fallback network selection logic and tunnel logic to get authorisation on a non-home network

Do you have any more details on this? I always thought that once the PDP context is established (which is based on the phone providing an APN and optional credentials, not the SIM), the "tunneling" (if any - local breakout is a thing apparently) is handled by the network and is completely transparent and invisible to the phone.
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