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Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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What countries offer free daycare? I know there are a few in Europe. It's not super common, so I'm curious to know where

I believe Sweden is one: https://www.sdg16.plus/policies/universal-childcare-model-sw...

That doesn't look free. Subsidized, yes. Lots of countries subsidize childcare. Including every US state

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Is it me or does this seem like naked corruption at its worst? These tech CEOs hang out at the White House and donate to superfluous causes and suddenly the executive is protecting their interests. This does nothing to protect working US citizens from AI alien (agents) coming to take their jobs and displace their incomes.

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Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Is it me or does this seem like naked corruption at its worst? These tech CEOs hang out at the White House and donate to superfluous causes and suddenly the executive is protecting their interests. This does nothing to protect working US citizens from AI alien (agents) coming to take their jobs and displace their incomes.

> This does nothing to protect working US citizens from AI alien (agents) coming to take their jobs and displace their incomes. Where did you get the idea that banning new technology that could eliminate jobs is even remotely an American value? Going back to the Industrial Revolution the United States has been 100% gas pedal all the time on innovation and disruption, which has in turn created millions of jobs that di…

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Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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I feel like anyone making this argument hasn't studied how those regulations happened. They ALL happened AFTER people got hurt. That's how we do things here. We always have. It's kind of messed up, but the alternative is a bunch of rules on things that wouldn't be a real problem.

Who got hurt before the US banned the export of cryptography?

Cracking Enigma was a big deal in WW2. Germany got hurt real bad.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Federal preemption requires federal law (aka laws written by congress). How else would it get to the supreme court? The EO mentions congress passing new law a few times in addition to an executive task force to look into challenging state laws based on constitutional violations or federal statues. That's the only way they'd get in front of a judge. If the plan is for the executive to invent new laws it's not mapped o…

> Federal preemption requires federal law (aka laws written by congress). How else would it get to the supreme court? 1. No federal preemption currently. (No federal law, therefore no regulation on the matter that should preempt.) 2. State passes and enforces law regarding AI. 3. Trump directs Bondi to challenge the state law on nonsense grounds. 4. In the lawsuit, the state points out that there is no federal preemp…

>2. Trump preemptively threatens to withhold all Federal funding to any state that intends to pass any laws he doesn't like.

>2.5 If it's a blue state, maybe the National Guard and ICE suddenly show up in force for the people's own protection.

>3. States choose entirely of their own volition to comply in advance.

That's probably how this is really going to go.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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For this brief moment in time, crime is legal.

Whats wrong if US population has voted for this? There was no surprises this time - everyone can expect what is going to happen.

I actually don't want to suffer just because my neighbor is racist.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Not true that US is 100% gas pedal constantly on innovation. You’re forgetting labor reform movements and the service switch away from industry in the last few decades. Also the de-science-ing of the current admin has vastly reduced our innovative capacity, as well as the virtual decapitation of brain drain. Those next generation of brightest immigrants certainly aren’t coming here to deal with ICE, and that’s been t…

I kind of doubt American scientists will leave en masse to go elsewhere. Their options are only Europe, the UK, or China. Most will not be willing to give up the salaries or the resources available to scientists in the USA, even with the current administration, to go live in strongly hierarchical academic systems that they don’t know how to navigate. Especially not for a 30% salary reduction (or more if they go somep…

Reread what the previous poster said. They were talking about folks coming to the US. Around 50% of doctorate level scientists and graduate students in STEM come from outside the US.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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We regulate medicine, nuclear technology, television, movies, monopolies, energy, financial services, etc. because these things can be harmful if left solely to the market. Americans value honest work, dignity, prosperity and equal opportunity. Innovation is useful in so far as it enables our values - regulation is not counter to Americans interests, it protects them.

I feel like anyone making this argument hasn't studied how those regulations happened. They ALL happened AFTER people got hurt. That's how we do things here. We always have. It's kind of messed up, but the alternative is a bunch of rules on things that wouldn't be a real problem.

It’s a lot harder to put the genie back in the bottle once out.

AI is already hurting people. We need regulation to hold it and its benefactors accountable. The federal government is preempting states from doing so.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgerwp7rdlvo

https://apnews.com/article/chatbot-ai-lawsuit-suicide-teen-a...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-teen-confided-in-an-ai-c...

https://www.pcmag.com/news/openai-sued-by-7-families-for-all...

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/chatgpt-murder-suicide-...

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/tens-thousand...

https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/17/tech/electricity-bill-price-i...

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Except it does literally nothing since EO can’t preempt state law

It could have some teeth considering that the whole point is the executive office is going to establish a task force that investigates state laws in opposition of this federal deregulation of AI. Any states deemed to be out of sync will have certain kinds of federal funding cut from them. There are a lot of states, and especially state universities, that will not like that.

The Executive can't actually cut approriated federal funding, since budgets are congress's job.

The executive, in fact, must spend money that congress appropriates. Unless it is illegal/et al to do so, or the funding otherwise allows prseidential discretion, they are required to do so.

Yes, they did some EO's purporting to cut funding. None that related to non-discretionary funding have been upheld, even by "trump" judges, and so far all non-discretionary (IE explicitly directed by congress) funding cut has been restored, AFAIK. All are a wildly clear violation of separation of powers, and so far no judge has disagreed.

(Though don't confuse whether they have to spend the money the way congress directs with whether they can or can't fire federal employees, etc)

There is a path to the president impounding appropriated money through the impoundment control act, but they haven't done it or followed the process so far.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Not true that US is 100% gas pedal constantly on innovation. You’re forgetting labor reform movements and the service switch away from industry in the last few decades. Also the de-science-ing of the current admin has vastly reduced our innovative capacity, as well as the virtual decapitation of brain drain. Those next generation of brightest immigrants certainly aren’t coming here to deal with ICE, and that’s been t…

I kind of doubt American scientists will leave en masse to go elsewhere. Their options are only Europe, the UK, or China. Most will not be willing to give up the salaries or the resources available to scientists in the USA, even with the current administration, to go live in strongly hierarchical academic systems that they don’t know how to navigate. Especially not for a 30% salary reduction (or more if they go somep…

Canada? Australia? 30% (or more) salary cut certainly applies but academic systems are similar and resources are in the same ballpark at top research universities.
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