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The Walt Disney Company and OpenAI Partner on Sora

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Re: The Walt Disney Company and OpenAI Partner on Sora

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Post by butlike »

bilbo0s wrote: post #84
impulser_ wrote: post #53

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I guess it will depend on how good their security is, because I'm assuming Disney is entering this deal with hard guidelines on what will be allowed.

This. Don't believe for a second that Sora will allow you to make racist content with Disney characters. That said, there are a lot of other models out there that care about neither licensing nor alignment. So those will allow you to make racist content. Then you can do whatever you like with that generated content. A lot of IP owners will learn that there is more than one way to skin a cat. It's easier than people t…

Great, so censorship by attrition.

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Post by lp0_on_fire »

zahlman wrote: post #225
notyourwork wrote: post #213

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It only works until Mickey Mouse shows up on your Tiktok feed lynching an African American and doing a sieg heil salute. Are you sure Disney wants that or would not care about that??

The question is why it shows up on your Tiktok feed.

I thought it was well known and generally accepted that the social medial companies push controversial click/rage bait to keep people “engaged”?

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Post by dragonwriter »

embedding-shape wrote: post #48
tiahura wrote: post #15

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And, don't forget to figure in that OpenAI has indicated they're getting into porn.

Is this about when Sam mentioned they want to continue/start letting people do lewd texting with LLMs? Or are you talking about actual pornography?

The “lewd texting with LLM” will be a tool for writing actual pornography, and in workflows for image and video pornography, even if the image and video generation doesn’t happen on OpenAI’s platform (in fact, people are using ChatGPT and other major AI engines as tools in that already, but loosening the filters were facilitate that even more on OpenAI’s platform.)

OpenAI knows that, and the people interested in that capability know that, even if many of the other people seeing the marketing about it don't.

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Post by baggachipz »

reaperducer wrote: post #227
giancarlostoro wrote: post #6

This will not end well for Disney, there were certain historical characters removed from Sora 2 because people kept making racist videos that are hard to censor, and it became increasingly unhinged. This feels like another circular investment where Disney is hoping to make money back I'm sure. On the other hand, assuming they do the freemium stuff, I look forward to making a few videos of my daughters favorite Disney…

I look forward to making a few videos of my daughters favorite Disney princesses "talking" to her. I look forward to chatting with Pluto and Goofy and asking why one has to wear pants when both of them are dogs.

Given that only one of the dogs can talk, you're set to get only one answer. Though I suspect that the ability to talk bestows bodily shame, based on this anecdotal evidence.

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Post by baggachipz »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #157
tr45872267 wrote: post #135

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>This feels like another circular investment where Disney is hoping to make money back I'm sure. How is that circular?

I assume that they mean that OpenAI will now be obligated to pay a lot of that money back to Disney as some kind of licensing fee. No idea if it's true, but that's the only way his comment makes sense.

The carousel of ~progress~ financing continues to turn....

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Post by doug_durham »

bilbo0s wrote: post #84
impulser_ wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess it will depend on how good their security is, because I'm assuming Disney is entering this deal with hard guidelines on what will be allowed.

This. Don't believe for a second that Sora will allow you to make racist content with Disney characters. That said, there are a lot of other models out there that care about neither licensing nor alignment. So those will allow you to make racist content. Then you can do whatever you like with that generated content. A lot of IP owners will learn that there is more than one way to skin a cat. It's easier than people t…

I don't think that you will ever be able to generate Disney characters with the Sora app. Sora is both a model and an app. Instead I think that there will be a heavily guardrailed specialized app where you can do some highly restricted things for the opportunity for the content to show up on Disney+. Think of it as "Disney art! Powered by Sora".

Re: The Walt Disney Company and OpenAI Partner on Sora

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Post by echelon »

dmix wrote: post #210
echelon wrote: post #153

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The AI IP lines are being drawn now. The IP holders will sue or DMCA the platforms, not the users. First Grok, then eventually YouTube. Then they'll charge licensing fees. Are also: RIAA wrt Suno, Udio.

They will be DMCA'ing the social media posts which is nothing new. The big models will and already have copyright filters on, people are just working around them which will always be a battle. They also don't host the videos they create themselves on OpenAI/Grok. As I said in my comment these videos are not all going to be via the mainline Grok/ChatGPT interfaces and alternative video generators will eventually becom…

It won't move the needle if users have access to unfiltered Wan, Comfy, local, etc. as that's unlikely to be how most users will create content.

The majority of creation will happen directly through the powerful platforms themselves - YouTube, Meta, TikTok, and Sora. This is the first time where platforms will be able to embed extremely powerful creation tools directly into the platform, and this will undoubtedly begin to take over for the majority of content produced.

Platforms and IP rights holders won't police the 1% of external user uploads. They'll negotiate deals with the platforms in bulk. If they don't license Elsa, Marvel, Pokemon, etc. then the platform wholesale will lose access to the IPs.

Platforms will have to pay. These are probably billion dollar deals. YouTube getting Pokemon exclusively for the next three years? Easily billions. Why even chase random internet users when you can just collect the gigantic platform check from one deal?

It'll look kind of like the cable tv / network model with occasional renegotiations. Or gaming consoles and exclusives. Or networks and sports.

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Post by krick »

zahlman wrote: post #222
jerf wrote: post #144

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"there were certain historical characters removed from Sora 2 because people kept making racist videos that are hard to censor, and it became increasingly unhinged" Also Google "Elsagate" to see what sorts of things people would like to do with Disney characters. Or a YouTube search for Elsagate. The other thing I'd point out is that people kind of seem to forget this, but it isn't a requirement that AI video be gene…

> Also Google "Elsagate" to see what sorts of things people would like to do with Disney characters. Or a YouTube search for Elsagate.... Elsagate shows the level of effort that people are willing to put into this (a strange combination of laziness, but extreme effort poured into enabling that laziness). I still wonder what motivates the people behind that sort of thing. It'd be easy to understand if it were just por…

Well, bizarre is the point. Surely you do understand that this is the content to gather kids views, because there is a ton of kids on the internet, and they can be monetized. I don't know what kind of research they do on their audience and if they purposefully want to traumatize kids as much as possible, but I suppose all this shit does capture kid's attention more than just Disney characters fucking.
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