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GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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They won't because they literally control the mobile market by having Android open source.

Now that their market is established, I don't think open-source is a requirement anymore. They would of course share with hardware vendors strategically.

What would they gain from making it closed source? There isn't any distribution of AOSP that competes with Android.

If they would close-source it, the community for sure will pick up the pieces.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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It is. 17 U.S. Code § 1201 - Circumvention of copyright protection systems

Well actually, it isn’t for individuals and certain groups, technically. Rooting/jailbreaking have had exemptions for many years now, on a three year basis which has seemingly been continually renewed, by the Librarian of Congress. Exemption to Prohibition on Circumvention of Copyright Protection Systems for Access Control Technologies (2024) https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/10/28/2024-24... https://www…

You’re breaking the TOS which is a felony according to the CFAA

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Has no one mentioned not using a smartphone as an option?

How do you run WhatsApp or Signal without a smartphone? Pretty hard. If your answer is "don't use them", then you're not living in a country where the vast majority of communications are done on WhatsApp or Signal, good for you I guess.

Yes that's fair. I have a an old iPhone without a sim that I use as my master for those apps, but I keep it in a drawer since the desktop apps work fine. Funny enough the phone the app is installed on doesn't have to be the same phone you use to register by number, so the number I registered with is my flip phone

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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post #241

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Why, of all parts on a phone, would you expect the battery to be the one that's already good enough that it should never need to be upgraded? "Battery capacity" is like the one thing phone manufacturers still try to improve.

The interfaces and the external dimensions can remain the same even as the internals change though, right? And you can have more or fewer cells. The cells don't have to be cylinders, either. They can be flat.

They are usually shaped to fit in exactly the space available to maximize capacity. Standard cell sizes wastes space.

Besides it's pretty easy to get custom battery pouches made.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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post #241

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The interfaces and the external dimensions can remain the same even as the internals change though, right? And you can have more or fewer cells. The cells don't have to be cylinders, either. They can be flat.

They are usually shaped to fit in exactly the space available to maximize capacity. Standard cell sizes wastes space. Besides it's pretty easy to get custom battery pouches made.

Who will make these custom battery pouches for old phones though? Think my old Poco x3 pro, not the iPhone 17. I am sure there are tons of people willing to make batteries for the iPhone 17 but I feel like the interest wanes as the phone gets older?

For older phones, the batteries we buy are likely also old stock left over if we can find some in stock anyway, right?

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Why was it that in the early PC days, IBM was unable to keep a lid on 'IBM compatible', allowing for the PC interoperability explosion, yet today, almost every phone has closed drivers, closed and locked bootloaders, and almost complete corporate control over our devices? Why are there not yet a plethora of phones on the market that allow anyone to install their OS of choice?

Nobody gave you the actual answer. IBM was under an antitrust decree and had to openly license their technology for a nominal fee. (Supposedly about $5/PC.) So yes, they were in a hurry and used generic parts, but they still had tons of patents on it. When they got out from under this, they came up with Microchannel.

I guess antitrust is the keyword here. Something that is considerably weakened in today's USA.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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As a LineageOS user, I'd be interested in the disparity between GrapheneOS and LineageOS.

They have different goals: GrapheneOS wants to make a FOSS Android with the security model that makes it hard for any bad party to break into the phone. LineageOS wants to make a FOSS Android that respects user's privacy first and foremost - it implements security as best as it can but the level of security protections differs on different supported devices. Good news is that if you have a boot passphrase, it's secur…

How can LOS's security be somewhat close to GOS if it's worse than OEM? LOS lacks verified boot, hardware security features, it's often behind is security patches.. With "advanced protection" enabled stock OEMs are even more secure, but GOS is even more secure still. When it comes to EOL devices, LOS may be more secure than OEM depending on your threat model.

https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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The same can be said about the Linux codebase. Tomorrow Linus could private his branch and stop supporting public releases. If AOSP goes closed source then people can fork it and continue to maintain it.

Linux doesn’t really rely on Linus for coding anymore…

It does on Intel, AMD and a bunch of other huge corps though
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