I'm now glad I bought 128GB of DDR4 when building a new dual purpose server-gaming PC two years ago. The RAM is now worth way more than the rest of the parts combined.
I wonder how this will impact phone prices.
RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung
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Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung
#252Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can we use the same argument for all of the businesses that are only surviving because of VC money? I find it rich how many tech people are working for money losing companies, using technology from money losing companies and/or trying to start a money losing company and get funding from a VC. Every job is not meant to support a single person living on their own raising a family.
That's what VC money is for. When it comes to paying below a living wage, we typically expect the government to provide support to make up the difference (so they're not literally homeless). Businesses that rely on government to pay their employees should not exist.
That’s kind of the point, a mom and pop restaurant or a McDonald’s franchise owner doesn’t have the luxury of burning $10 for every $1 in revenue for years and being backed by VC funding.
Oh and the average franchise owner is not getting rich. They are making $100K a year to $150K a year depending on how many franchises they own.
Also tech companies can afford to pay a tech worker more money because you don’t have to increase the number of workers when you get more customers.
YC is not going to give the aspiring fast food owner $250K to start their business like they are going to give “pets.ai - AI for dog walkers”
Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung
#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're identifying the right problem (school and housing costs are completely out of hand) but then resorting to an ineffective solution (minimum wage) when what you actually need is to get those costs back down. The easy way to realize this is to notice that the median wage has increased by proportionally less than the federal minimum wage has. The people in the middle can't afford school or housing either. And what…
> resorting to an ineffective solution (minimum wage) when what you actually need is to get those costs back down. I'm not really resorting to any solution. My comment is pointing out that when you only do one side of the equation (income) without considering the other side (expenses), it's worthless. Especially when you are trying to make a comparison across years. How we go about fixing the problem, if we ever do,…
> It's solely to point out that adventured's comment is a bunch of meaningless numbers.
The point of that comment was to point out that minimum wage is irrelevant because basically nobody makes that anyway; even the entry-level jobs pay more than the federal minimum wage.
In that context, arguing that the higher-than-minimum wages people are actually getting still aren't sufficient implies an argument that the minimum wage should be higher than that. And people could read it that way even if it's not what you intended.
So what I'm pointing out is that that's the wrong solution and doing that rather than addressing the real issue (high costs) is the thing that destroys the middle class.
Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung
#254Earlier quoted context omitted.
What are the limitations of machines like these?
Just performance when compared to current generation hardware. Not significantly worse, but things like DDR4 ram and single thread performance show the signs of aging. Frankly for similar $$$ you can get a new hardware from beelink or equivalent.
Got it so basically it's one of those things you do if 1) the project interests you and/or 2) you get one dirt cheap and don't have high expectations for certain tasks
Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung
#255Earlier quoted context omitted.
> resorting to an ineffective solution (minimum wage) when what you actually need is to get those costs back down. I'm not really resorting to any solution. My comment is pointing out that when you only do one side of the equation (income) without considering the other side (expenses), it's worthless. Especially when you are trying to make a comparison across years. How we go about fixing the problem, if we ever do,…
> It's solely to point out that adventured's comment is a bunch of meaningless numbers. The point of that comment was to point out that minimum wage is irrelevant because basically nobody makes that anyway; even the entry-level jobs pay more than the federal minimum wage. In that context, arguing that the higher-than-minimum wages people are actually getting still aren't sufficient implies an argument that the minimu…
>implies an argument that the minimum wage should be higher than that.
It can also imply that expenses should come down, you just picked the implication you want to argue against.
Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung
#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
surely these will soon be scavenged for ram? Arbitrage opportunity?
If they’re DDR4 (or even DDR3), it has no value to e.g. OpenAI so it shouldn’t really matter
But it's a cascading effect, OpenAI gobbled up all of DDR5 production to the point that consumers are choosing to upgrade their older DDR4 systems instead of paying even more to upgrade to a new system that uses DDR5. As a result, DDR4 ram is at a new all time high - https://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/memory/
Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung
#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's solely to point out that adventured's comment is a bunch of meaningless numbers. The point of that comment was to point out that minimum wage is irrelevant because basically nobody makes that anyway; even the entry-level jobs pay more than the federal minimum wage. In that context, arguing that the higher-than-minimum wages people are actually getting still aren't sufficient implies an argument that the minimu…
> implies an argument that the minimum wage should be higher than that. It can also imply that expenses should come down, you just picked the implication you want to argue against.
Exactly. When it's ambiguous at best it's important that people not try to follow the bad fork.
Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung
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I am so glad I built my PC back in April. My 2x16gb DDR5 sticks cost $105 all in then, now it’s $480 on amazon. That is ridiculous!
I'm also glad I overbought RAM when I did my last PC upgrade in January, because who knows when I'll be able to do that again. The 96GB kit I bought (which was more than I needed) was $165. I ended up buying another 96GB kit in June when I saw the price went up to $180 to max out my machine, even though I didn't really need it, but I was concerned where prices were going. That same kit was $600 a month ago, and is $9…
Yeah I do regret not going 64GB when it was so cheap but honestly? 32 has been fine. I had already pushed the budget to future-proof critical things (mobo, PSU, CPU, etc.) and ram hopefully one day will drop to sane prices again. I doubt I'll feel the strain for 3-5 years if at all. It's mainly a gaming rig right now
Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung
#259Earlier quoted context omitted.
> implies an argument that the minimum wage should be higher than that. It can also imply that expenses should come down, you just picked the implication you want to argue against.
Exactly. When it's ambiguous at best it's important that people not try to follow the bad fork.
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Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung
#260I'm running a box I put together in 2014 with an i5-4460 (3.2ghz), 16 GB of RAM, GeForce 750ti, first gen SSD, ASRock H97M Pro4 motherboard with a reasonable PSU, case and a number of fans. All of that parted out at the time was $700. I've never been more fearful of components breaking than current day. With GPU and now memory prices being crazy, I hope I never have to upgrade. I don't know how but the box is still g…
Don't worry, if you are happy with those specs you can get corporate ewaste dell towers on ebay for low prices. "Dell precision tower", I just saw a listing for 32gb ram, Xeon 3.6ghz for about 300 usd. Personally, at work I use the latest hardware at home I use ewaste.
I have some Dell server with dual Xeons and 192GB RAM. It is NUMA but that’s fine for Docker workloads where you can just associate them with a CPU.
The RAM for that is basically ewaste at this point, yet it runs the workloads it needs to do just fine.