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Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out

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Re: Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out

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Post by RugnirViking »

vntok wrote: post #21
mohsen1 wrote: post #16

Can you imagine how annoying ads in the voice interface would look like? Ugh

You'd most probably wouldn't be able to tell for sure. Ads will be subtle and flow as background music to the onversation. Talking to the AI while on your daily commute will make you thirsty for some sort of hot beverage while ChatGPT tells you all about sirens in Greek mythology.

if you believe that you haven't been paying attention. Have you actually used AI much? Current ones couldn't subtle their way out of a paper bag. I have no real reason to believe anything in future would be different.

In general, any textual embedding in the ad or system prompt would result in an abjectly terrible user experience. I must assume it will just be banner ads etc

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Post by aurareturn »

veeti wrote: post #209
logifail wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think people who kept saying there is no moat in AI is about to be shocked at how strong of a moat there actually is for ChatGPT Given one can (at least for the moment) export one's entire chat history from ChatGPT, what exactly would stop a ChatGPT user from switching to an alternative if the alternative is either better, or better value?

Google can just build "import from ChatGPT" into Chrome, like switching from Internet Explorer back in the day.

How do you suppose they can do that technically when OpenAI inevitably remove export function?

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Y_Y wrote: post #198
ethmarks wrote: post #165

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Fun fact: that's called a generic trademark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark

When you call your product "(Chat) Generative Pretrained Transformer" then I don't think you have a great defense against genericisation. The legal history of these is interesting, lots of household names have lost their trademarks, and lots of seemingly generic names are still trademarked. This way to the rabbit hole -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_and_genericize...

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Post by Workaccount2 »

mattlondon wrote: post #138
aurareturn wrote: post #32

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I'm betting that they can. Here's an idea that just popped into my head: ChatGPT shows a sponsored entry in chat history list with a colorful border around it to get users to click. This product is something that ChatGPT knows the user desperately needs from previous chats. The user can chat directly with the product and learn more about it. The advertiser specifically sent OpenAI information (like a RAG) about their…

But the missing part is "we know they need this!" but they don't have the ad network to have the pixels on the vendor sites to track the conversion (or not for remarketing!). They only have half (at most) of the picture. This is why they tried to create a browser (remember that? Nope me neither) to try and get the full picture. Advertisers are accustomed to pay for conversions now. If you can't track it, you cant pro…

God, the irony if they were using Google on the backend for advertising...

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

afavour wrote: post #131
aurareturn wrote: post #14

- ~1 billion users in just 3 years - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products - Strong branding for non-techie people (most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are) - An app that is getting more and more addictive/indispensable I think OpenAI is going to kill it in ads eventually. This is why Meta and Google went all in on AI. Their lucrative di…

> most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are In think the point is that they don’t need to know what Gemini is, they just need to know Google, which they most definitely do. IMO ads rollout won’t be as simple as you’re describing it. A lot of people have switched from Google search to AI specifically because it isn’t filled with SEO, ad filled nonsense. So they’ll need to tread very, very carefully to in…

I can't wait for the instructions to start having ads embedded.

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4. Remove Turkey from the oven, let rest for ten minutes while listening to Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars sing "Die with a Smile" on Spotify.

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Post by bonsai_spool »

warmedcookie wrote: post #197
astura wrote: post #155

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This is straight up just a bold faced lie. Big Tobacco never funded the American Heart Association. AHA never purposefully ommited smoking as a cause of heart disease. In fact, they were at the forefront of the research to prove a link between smoking and heart disease. They met with the The Surgeon General in 1961 to request the formation of the Advisory Committee on Smoking and Health. Report can be viewed here - h…

I'm more inclined to believe the person you responded to given how often I saw the AHA heart check logo on some questionable cereals in the 90s. Yeah, these cereals have soluble fiber...with a bunch of sugar.

The assertion of GP is incorrect about AHA not opposing smoking but I can’t find information about their historical sponsors.

The cereal thing is problematic but there wasn’t good data about this at first (which, itself, was due to corporate lobbying/grant-making)

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Post by fn-mote »

isodev wrote: post #205
lenkite wrote: post #57

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Only a short matter of time before agentic tools start serving ads too - paying user or not. You want to refactor your codebase ? No issue - taking 30 seconds - please view this ad meanwhile.

Why stop there? You want to refactor your codebase? Sure, but you need to adopt this dependency and this cloud service. Mixing Ads or sponsorships to influence LLMs is a really, really bad idea. Especially when they're competing with Search ... which means that for some, "AIs" are the only window into the world when looking something up.

> Sure, but you need to adopt this dependency and this cloud service.

THIS.

Asked to make an app using AWS? “I can do that, but have you considered the lower lifetime costs of using Azure? I can generate a configuration for AWS, Azure, or produce a price comparison table. Let me know which you prefer.”

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Post by tarsinge »

aurareturn wrote: post #14

- ~1 billion users in just 3 years - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products - Strong branding for non-techie people (most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are) - An app that is getting more and more addictive/indispensable I think OpenAI is going to kill it in ads eventually. This is why Meta and Google went all in on AI. Their lucrative di…

I’m actually one of the people that continue to say even with this list they have no moat, because Google, Facebook, Microsoft, etc. can just embed a chatbot in their existing products or social network and make ChatGPT irrelevant overnight. Non tech users will chat through their browser, OS, Apps, website, that’ll be served by any model provider. The only moat of OpenAI is investor money to burn so that they can offer it for free.

Also 20 billions of revenues, not profits, is orders of magnitude too low compared to their expenses. Their only path to survival is a massively downgraded free tier ridden with ads. Nobody will use an app like this when they can have a better more integrated experience directly in their other apps.

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Post by Workaccount2 »

dangus wrote: post #243
aurareturn wrote: post #14

- ~1 billion users in just 3 years - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products - Strong branding for non-techie people (most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are) - An app that is getting more and more addictive/indispensable I think OpenAI is going to kill it in ads eventually. This is why Meta and Google went all in on AI. Their lucrative di…

You are 100% correct, and I don’t mean to refute your comment by saying this: For me personally, the moment AI has ads, I’m out. I’ve drawn this line with search engines as well. I now pay for a no-ads search engine. But for AI, I think I’d rather buy some hardware or use my existing desktop PC and run something local with search engine integration. I know this won’t be a popular option but I think this time around I…

They will certainly offer privacy focused ad-free models. Enterprise demands it.

However you will have to pay the full true cost of each token. Not the promo pricing like we have now or the ad-subsidized plans that will be offered.

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