All hail the EU Federation for pushing this no matter what. Can't wait to be protected even more by our beloved nanny!
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#252Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you look up comments on fintechs, trading platforms, and even legit banks on reddit and review websites there has been surge of these practices in last maybe 12 months. Basically "all savings and accumulated funds are illegal by default". In the past I only had heard horror stories about Paypal but now this it widespread.
That's the blessing of the KYC/AML laws/regulations for ya. Moving money needs source of funds, documentation etc... doing any business requires you to doxx yourself to the world and to vendors in the name of transparency. Luckily though none of this is a problem for large multinationals :) which the EU cares about most in the end
So after you paid income tax, then capital gains tax while accumulating, and about to pay VAT tax while purchasing something, they say "hold on, this money looks illegal!". Savings don't have documentation in form of recent payslip or deed of sale.
The yachts and private jets on European harbors and airports don't look like their owners have any problem with money transfers. Wirecard billions? poof, vanished!
If feels as if elites were in process of cutting off everyone else.
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#253I am a fairly apolitical guy but in light of this I will cast my next votes for the parties that want to leave the EU from now on.
Yes, I know Brexit was a failure and the UK is no better in terms of privacy but there has to be some sort sort of political repercussion for the people who made this possible.
Since there seems to be nothing else to do, then voting to leave is better than the status quo.
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#254I have this feeling that I can’t shake off that this is done as the EU political class’ coping mechanism for being absolutely terrified because their whole worldview was shattered overnight:
- Sanctions against Russia backfired (from the EU at least)
- Trump-Vance slapping the EU around in a humiliating fashion (re: that guy that cried at the Munich security council, EU being forced to adopt unfair trade deals with the US)
- look at the body language from Macron, VDL and Xi’s meeting a couple years ago, VDL is being sidelined on purpose, meanwhile Macron given royal treatment
Liberalism is dead, and these career bureaucrats are clinging to any remaining feeling of control:
- they can’t do the antitrust thing because Trump is wagging his finger at them
- they can’t project power externally
- they can’t engage with China (idk why, maybe due to their feeling of superiority)
… so they resort to projecting power internally
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#255Earlier quoted context omitted.
So? The US prior to 1776, those specific colonies that became the US, were British colonies, are you claiming before that those colonies weren't considered British?
Britain lost their claim to those colonies when they lost a war to the Americans. The Inuit had no capacity to fight a war with Denmark. So it's the same situation except now Denmark is on the short-end of the power imbalance, and they're upset about it.
Its not the same situation. Greenland has self-rule, and are masters of planning and executing their own independence. They wouldn't have that if swallowed by the US. Its funny how you appear to be miffed about colonialism, while holding outdated views that paints the Greenlanders as poor natives that don't have any self-determination.
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#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it’s plausible that the UK electorate are sick of switching between Tories and Labour for the last hundred years, especially as they have become indistinguishable in many respects. They were held back because there wasn’t a plausible alternative that had a hope of being elected. Reform has been leading the polls for nearly all this year, so let’s check in a year to see where they stand. But Labour (especially…
While I'm sure you know much more than I do about UK politics, it seems like some systemic factor pushes both Tories and Labour and whoever else comes close to power, well to the right of their respective voters. In the US, that factor would be campaign contributions and an extremely well-funded conservative propaganda/patronage machine on a war footing. In the UK, is it all about media ownership or something?
The media plays a big role in election outcomes. The Murdoch empire used to have an oversized influence, but since Murdoch exited Sky UK, that's been on the wane. The Sun (which helped Labour's Tony Blair win his landslide) is still a Murdoch enterprise, but it hasn't really moved with the times, and newer media-savvy outlets are starting to get mindshare.
GBNews launched in 2021 with a strong anti-establishment mandate. The growth in its audience surprised everyone, surpassing both BBC News and Sky in viewership. For four consecutive months (July-October 2025) GBNews has been Britain's number one news channel (Source: BARB).
Crucially it also has 2.5bn views on YouTube since launch.
The establishment try to write off and condescend GBNews, but in doing so they condescend the large and growing section of the UK public that GBNews represents (e.g. for example - people on both the Left and Right who are frustrated with 110,000 undocumented migrants entering the UK over the last three years, many of whom have been put up in hotels at taxpayer expense).
As the elite condescend and push away large swathes of the population, they are creating increasing loyalty toward GBNews, and by extension, the Reform Party.
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#258why are specifically the Danish so obsessed with pushing this through? it always seems to come back to them
My conspiracy theory is because they’d probably give a lot of contracts to Palantir (see the UK giving NHS to Palantir on a silver platter), and the US basically threatening to annex Greenland recently
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#259Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am assuming that the entire (EU in this case) internet is monitored for un-decryptable messages, and that they use the internet. Can you square the circle, even in principle, without questions of cost?
The issue is that EU does not control the internet, nor all means of communication. Nor perfect form of monitoring exists so question is moot in itself. Especially as perfect encryption is indistinguishable from noise. and the answer is no but yes - by encrypting everything E2E you can massively reduce harm done, and treat espionage/crime as policy/economic problem instead.
The EU delegates stuff to the member states, those states
enforce laws, that could in principal include requiring everything up from the physical link layer to scan for watever they say so.
> Especially as perfect encryption is indistinguishable from noise.
Irrelevant. If powers can't decrypt it, powers deem it a crime to have or send.
"white-noise.wav is a test file and I'm an acoustics engineer": tough, supply the seed to the PRNG which created it or fine time.
> policy/economic problem instead
Instead? Everything about this is about groups wanting to act in secret for their best interests, and other people wanting to ensure that only the interests they share get to do that. This is true when it's me logging into my bank and criminals trying to get access to the same, when it's the Russian government sponsoring arson attacks in Europe and local police trying to stop them, and when it's the CIA promoting Tor for democracy activists in dictatorships and those dictatorships trying to stop them.
We must have unbreakable encryption, and yet also we cannot have it.
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#260I am a fairly apolitical guy but in light of this I will cast my next votes for the parties that want to leave the EU from now on. Yes, I know Brexit was a failure and the UK is no better in terms of privacy but there has to be some sort sort of political repercussion for the people who made this possible. Since there seems to be nothing else to do, then voting to leave is better than the status quo.
I can empathise with this, but I still believe in an economic union in Europe. The EU is flawed beyond and possible reform, but I feel the alternative of a segmented Europe is even crazier to think about