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PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Post by muldvarp »

btbuildem wrote: post #206
pmdr wrote: post #98

So, like, we were already pretty much priced out of higher-end graphic cards, and now it's happening to RAM. All this while jobs are disappearing, layoffs are ongoing and CEOs are touting AI's 'capabilities' left and right. Next is probably CPUs, even if AIs don't use them that much, manufactures will shift production to something more profitable, then gouge prices so that only enterprises will pay for them. What's n…

> Where the f*k is all the abundance that AI was supposed to bring into the world? In the hands of the owners of the AI, as a direct consequence of the economic system. It was never going to play out any other way.

Yeah, I'm always confused why programmers seem to like this technology given the vast negative consequences it will likely have for us. The upsides on the other hand seem to be the most insignificant things.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Post by misja111 »

metaphor wrote: post #244
throwaway2037 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Manufacturers don't actually want too many extremely long term contracts because it would limit their ability to respond to market price changes. I don't agree with this sentence. Why would not the same apply advice to oil and gas contracts? If you look at the size and duration of oil and gas contracts for major energy importers, they often run 10 years or more. Some of the contracts in Japan and Korea are so large…

Are you seriously trying to compare raw commodity inputs traded on the futures market to finished semiconductor products that are expected to become deprecated, uncompetitive and/or EOL'd in a few years?

Yes it looks like he does. And I don't see why not. The fact that their products become deprecated, gives even more incentive to manufacturers to want long term contracts.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Post by dannyobrien »

pmdr wrote: post #98

So, like, we were already pretty much priced out of higher-end graphic cards, and now it's happening to RAM. All this while jobs are disappearing, layoffs are ongoing and CEOs are touting AI's 'capabilities' left and right. Next is probably CPUs, even if AIs don't use them that much, manufactures will shift production to something more profitable, then gouge prices so that only enterprises will pay for them. What's n…

After the supply constraints of the post-covid period, are graphics cards really that more expensive?

How long do you estimate this period of supply constraint will be? Will manufacturers continue to be greedy, or will they grow less greedy as the supply improves based on the price signals the high price indicates?

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Post by saxenaabhi »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #144
Aurornis wrote: post #77

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> Hopefully the shortage leads large purchasers to engage in long-term contracts with the memory manufacturers which give them the confidence to invest in new fabs and increased capacity. Most DRAM is already purchased through contracts with manufacturers. Manufacturers don't actually want too many extremely long term contracts because it would limit their ability to respond to market price changes. Like most commodi…

> Manufacturers don't actually want too many extremely long term contracts because it would limit their ability to respond to market price changes. I don't agree with this sentence. Why would not the same apply advice to oil and gas contracts? If you look at the size and duration of oil and gas contracts for major energy importers, they often run 10 years or more. Some of the contracts in Japan and Korea are so large…

Same does apply to gas contracts. So many a time LNG companies break contracts and pay hefty penalties if the spot rate is high enough.

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Post by pjc50 »

AngryData wrote: post #165
georgefrowny wrote: post #117

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Maybe that is the answer to how things are supposed to work if AI replaces everyone and no one can afford to buy their stuff. Things being too cheap allows money to pool at the bottom in little people's hands in the forms of things like "their homes" and "their computers" and "their cars". You don't really want billions in computing hardware (say) being stashed down there in inefficient, illiquid physical form, you w…

I very much disagree that consumers holding more hardware capabilities than they need is a bad thing. Replace computing hardware with mechanical tools, because they are basically tools, and consider if consumers be better off if wrenches and saw blades and machine tools were held more exclusively by business and large corporations. Would corporations use them more often? Probably. And yet it seems pretty clear that i…

> And yet it seems pretty clear that it would hurt the capabilities of regular people to not be able to fix things themselves

Yes, that's the point. People fixing things themselves doesn't make the line go up, therefore it will be made harder.

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Post by eternauta3k »

bmicraft wrote: post #196
throwaway48476 wrote: post #180

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Oil and gas suppliers have several products: gas, diesel, jet a, propane, naptha, asphalt etc.

Aren't the proportions is those essentially static?

No, refineries make more heating oil in winter and more gasoline in summer driving season.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Post by alias301 »

f0rgot wrote: post #209
f0rgot wrote: post #208

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This is really crazy. I built my first computer not too long ago; like I'm talking less than a month maybe, definitely less than 2. I paid $320 for 64GB Kit (CMK64GX5M2B5600C40) at Microcenter. It is now sold out in Chicago store and listed at $530.

$760 on NewEgg! Yeeezus Christ. Literally 50% of what I spent on the entire build just on RAM.

I bought that exact model on 11/1/2024 @ $164.99

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Post by nottorp »

ed_elliott_asc wrote: post #102
Aurornis wrote: post #94

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> This AI movement seems to move things in the opposite direction, in that us plebeians have less and less access to RAM, computing power and food and...uh...GPUs to play Cyberpunk; and are dependent on Altermanic aristocracy to dribble compute onto us at their leisure and for a hefty tithe. Compute is cheaper than ever. The ceiling is just higher for what you can buy. Yes, we have $2000 GPUs now. You don't have to b…

The thing about being annoyed about the top of the range prices, for me, it irritates as it feels like it drags the lower models prices upwardsz

It does. If the top range is 80k you'll feel you're getting a deal for 40k.

So no one makes a 25k model.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Post by nottorp »

alex43578 wrote: post #243
lmm wrote: post #185

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> Some times I think people with this mentality would be happier if the top of the line GPU models were never released. If nVidia stopped at their mid-range cards and didn't offer anything more, the complaints would go away even though we're not actually better off with fewer options. If the result was that games were made and optimised for mid-range cards, maybe regular folks actually would be better off.

Excluding a few poorly-optimized recent releases, what games can't run on like a 3070?

3070 isn't mid range.

Low end is ryzen integrated graphics now, xx60 is mid range at best. Maybe even xx50 if those still exist.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Post by nottorp »

AuthAuth wrote: post #57
jkingsman wrote: post #18

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I think it's intended as a comparison of cost when building a gaming-capable computer vs. a console of somewhat equivalent power. It used to be a general rule of thumb that you could build a computer of roughly equivalent power for the cost of a game console, or a little more — now the memory costs more than the whole console.

It still is a rule of thumb, you dont need DDR5 for a gaming computer let alone 64gb. A low end am4 cpu + 16gb of DD4 3600 and a decent gpu will beat a ps5 in performance and cost. I dont understand why the headline made this strange comparison.

The thing is, on a ps5 you just open the game and it runs fine.

On a PC you may have the bright idea to open a browser along with the game for walkthroughs/hints. Or Discord to chat with your friends while gaming.

Due to javascript bloat, your working set size goes from 16 to 48-64 Gb in a jiffy.

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