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France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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> if you are a public servant. I don't understand why private citizens are held to higher standards of conduct than politicians and cops. Last time I checked, politicians and cops are private citizens... Wherever you stand on this, I can't understand the justification for this "one rule for thee" position.

Logistically, when you combine private citizenship with government you get corruption problems because incentives are so misaligned. In fact private citizenship combined with government is the origin of corruption. Think about it, as a government official your incentive should be to preserve order, fairness and honor. As a private citizen your goal is to optimize the amount of money you make via business or employmen…

> As a private citizen your goal is to optimize the amount of money you make

Ok.

I'm interested in why you think this is the goal of citizens (but not of government).

To be clear: I don't believe this should be the goal of government. I don't really understand why this should be the goal of citizens. I've emphasised the term "should" here, which is a somewhat odd moral term in general, but if we're applying a "should" to government to differentiate them from private citizens, there needs to be a symmetrical. Optimizing individual wealth is certainly an emergent goal of specific individuals, but I can't think of a reason to broadly apply a moral "should" to this goal. If we're optimising for positive outcomes at a system/global/community level (which is generally the intent of wanting a functional government), then encouraging citizens to hoard wealth has not tended to be (positively) contributory to such outcomes.

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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HN title: "France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors" LQDN: "Dans ces articles, la cheffe de la section cybercriminalité du parquet de Paris – à l'origine de l'arrestation de Pavel Durov – menace également les développeurs·es de GrapheneOs. Interviewée, elle prévient qu'elle ne s'« empêchera pas de poursuivre les éditeurs, si des liens sont découverts avec une organisation crimi…

And how do you hack a single phone without a backdoor in every phone?

With a know bug in a product that you didn't disclosed.

https://web.archive.org/web/20221124085649/https://www.washi...

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

#253

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Can you link these publication containing threats here?

Might be under a gag order

Under gag order, but openly posting about the threats?

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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The article is kind of interesting: on the one hand, you’ve got a tool that can be used by ordinary citizens and political dissidents for legitimate reasons. On the other, the French police were mildly inconvenienced during their arrest of a small-time drug dealer. Yes, really, that’s the argument.

It's about protecting kids/olds/fighting crime/drug dealer `What would you like me to wrap the global surveillance in?'

IYKYK :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bz2FvX7IEAAZ7F4.jpg

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Remember when they arrested Pavel Durov? I don't buy their official reasoning. Dear European friends, our leaders are tightening the screws. If we don't make our voices heard this is only going to get worse. https://x.com/durov/status/1976420399970701543

> I don't buy their official reasoning.

Why not? Have you used Telegram? Before Durov’s arrest there was open drug trade everywhere, afterwards they started to actively ban groups.

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

#256

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I've been saying this for years: the more power you have the higher standard you should be held in. In most societies on the planet it's the other way around.

Everyone agrees with this obviously but it's like saying that we should be able to levitate or live in utopia. It's almost a law of nature that the types that become powerful are not your most savory individuals and will use the power to reinforce their positions.

> It's almost a law of nature

We have tons of different systems for accumulating power all over the world. Corporate structures, democracy vs autocracy, etc. In each of those societies, we see different types of leaders on a sliding scale of savoriness.

My point is that clearly there are some forms of governance which result in more savory people and so you can argue that it's the systems that define the outcomes rather than any "law of nature".

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

#257

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> scared them pas-de-merde Huh?

"without shit" translated... "Scared them shitless" in faux franglais. Probably something like this would be close to the same colloquial meaning (I'm not familiar with any pants-shitting slang in French): EncroChat leur a foutu les jetons de ouf. (closer to "scared the hell out of them")

Ils en ont ch... dans leur culotte.

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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I don't remember Apple ever saying that it was impossible for them to do it, just that they didn't want to. It was always kind of assumed that they could , by eg signing a malicious OS update without PIN code retry limits, so the FBI could brute force it at their leisure, or something similar.

> they could, by eg signing a malicious OS update They successfully argued in court that being forced to insert code the government wanted would be equivalent to compelled speech, in violation of the first amendment. As the Feds often do, they dropped the case instead of allowing it to set a precedent they didn't want.

> They successfully argued in court that being forced to insert code the government wanted would be equivalent to compelled speech

This isn't true, they never "successfully argued in court". There was never any judgement, and no precedent. They resisted a court order briefly before the FBI withdrew the request after finding another way into the device.

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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This is a better link from a French privacy non-profit but I can't change it now: https://mamot.fr/@LaQuadrature/115581775965025042 @dang or other mods, could you change it? Google Translated text: > Two articles in Le Parisien yesterday, followed today by one in Le Figaro, have launched a shameful attack against GrapheneOS, a free and accessible open-source operating system for phones. At La Quadrature du Net, it's…

Ok, we've changed to that from https://grapheneos.social/@watchfulcitizen@goingdark.social/... above.

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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post #241

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I mean, Durov has been trying to push for Russian puppets to get elected in Romanian and Moldovan elections, by pushing to everyone (at least in Romania, he might've just posted on twitter for Moldova) that the French government is trying to interfere in the Romanian elections. I mean, it turns out, Russia was, on behalf of the candidate he was talking about... so take from that what you will. Oh, yeah, and he calls…

I mean, sorry, but the EU essentially installed puppets in both Romania and Moldova, what are we even talking about here?

I'm sure you're very familiar with the politics of both countries, but tell me...

How is Nicusor Dan a puppet of the EU? More than Calin Georgescu? The guy who actively tried to stage a coup? More than George Simion? Granted, there's no PROOF he's a Russian puppet, but he's a far right twat that has views friendly to Russia.

How is Maia Sandu and PES a puppet of the EU? And... let's look at BEP. Voronin, Russia friendly ex President, he was very against Moldova trying to get closer to the West. And Dodon? The guy who is being indicted for treason, who's a friend of Plahotniuc (he stole 1 billion dollars from banks and fled the country)? Yeah, sure, puppets of the EU, vs corrupt fucking puppets of Russia.

I know it's easy to look at this stuff from the outside and say, oh, yeah, the EU is interfering in elections, but there's a lot of history here that you obviously don't have. I like Maia Sandu more than Nicusor Dan (his positions on gay rights were disgusting a while back, he now just stopped talking about them), but compared to the obviousness of the Russian support for their opposition, I think the fact that the EU supports them is just insignificant.

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