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Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by malfist »

Grimblewald wrote: post #146
hifix wrote: post #5

> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. "Generate any image you want!" "Analyse this thing with AI!" gets pretty tiring. If I want AI I'll actively…

Sex is great, but if you constabtly try to force it on me, sneak it into deals we make, or while i sleep etc. it will leave me quite hostile towards the topic, and that's where we are at. Consent is important in all things, no less here.

I think if A Brave New World was written today, soma wouldn't just be available, megacorps would force it on people.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by malfist »

queenkjuul wrote: post #246
pndy wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd rather see this technology being used as a method of input and control of the machine, just like keyboard, mouse and monitor is. Without humanized bits of conversation or suggestions, exaggerated remarks like "Got it!" - you would ask OS to preform a task and it would do what was told. And if I'd want to have a specific question or task I'd use some dedicated application that would stay dormant up until used.

Star Trek computer remains the ultimate ideal. Basically sums up why i don't use any kind of voice assistant still. Until the computer can DO exactly and precisely what i asked -- not what it's faulty recognition model thinks i asked -- there's zero point to trying to talk to it

I have one device in my house on Alexa called "under cabinet lights", I asked Alexa to "turn on the cabinet lights" she said "several things share the name cabinet lights, which one do you mean?" (As if there's enough information there to answer the question) I told her "all of them" thinking maybe the lights got duplicated or something.

She turned on every smart home light in the house.

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That isn't your ideal world?

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by rkomorn »

malfist wrote: post #252
queenkjuul wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Star Trek computer remains the ultimate ideal. Basically sums up why i don't use any kind of voice assistant still. Until the computer can DO exactly and precisely what i asked -- not what it's faulty recognition model thinks i asked -- there's zero point to trying to talk to it

I have one device in my house on Alexa called "under cabinet lights", I asked Alexa to "turn on the cabinet lights" she said "several things share the name cabinet lights, which one do you mean?" (As if there's enough information there to answer the question) I told her "all of them" thinking maybe the lights got duplicated or something. She turned on every smart home light in the house. . That isn't your ideal world…

Does it do the right thing if you ask if to turn on the under cabinet lights?

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by hat_monger »

Grimblewald wrote: post #146
hifix wrote: post #5

> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. "Generate any image you want!" "Analyse this thing with AI!" gets pretty tiring. If I want AI I'll actively…

Sex is great, but if you constabtly try to force it on me, sneak it into deals we make, or while i sleep etc. it will leave me quite hostile towards the topic, and that's where we are at. Consent is important in all things, no less here.

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Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by tessellated »

jordanb wrote: post #145
somenameforme wrote: post #124

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The issue is that one could reasonably argue that about 95% of pop music is was already formulaic slop. Not just pejoratively, but much of it was even made by the same people. Everybody from Britney Spears to Taylor Swift and more modern acts are all being driven by one guy - 'Max Martin'. [1] Once you see the songs he's credited with, you instantly start to realize it's painfully formulaic, but most people are happy…

Max Martin is considered incredibly good at what he does. https://youtu.be/DxrwjJHXPlQ?si=m-A6M8xrad5MrQqZ&t=151 Adam Conover discussed ad bumpers from the 1990s and 2000s. These were legal requirements for children's programming from the FCC. They're a compliance item, yet they were incredibly well made and creative in in many cases: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vI0UcUxzrQ Because people at the top of their game…

Fascinating! The last sentence could also talk about the famous book.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by sershe »

I had a rule of thumb is that if software is telling me about a feature or an update (outside of a tutorial or something, and security) the feature is probably useless, someone is padding their yearly review and I need to turn it off. People were saying I'm too grumpy, glad to see they are starting to come around ;)

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by ryandrake »

Vespasian wrote: post #175
willis936 wrote: post #147

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They only understand one thing: shareholder value. This dude's panicking because he knows how bad the next quarterly report looks when this strategy resulted in a hemorrhaging userbase. This is an expression of a stage of grief.

But it won't will it? They can essentially force users to receive and pay for any of their AI features. It worked so far and there is no reason to believe it will stop working anytime soon. People are just taking it and this guy knows it. The fact that I and a few others don't, doesn't even register in Microsofts bottom line. The lesson learned is that you don't really have to care about your users right now. I'm cer…

Sadly, you're right.

We are finding out more and more, over the last decade, that there seems to be no limit to the amount of abuse and coercion that users will accept, and continue to use the products. I see posts here like "Uber ripped me off for $50, but I don't want to do a chargeback because they'll ban me!" We are at the point where companies can literally steal actual money from customers, and customers will still insist on continuing to use the software.

A handful of complainers on HN is not going to even dent this.

My bigger fear is that companies will fully embrace this--there is so much more hostility they can inflict on their users, that they haven't been doing. What is staying their hand? Car companies now know they can charge a subscription fee for every little feature of the car, and customers will still put up with it, so why haven't they already?? Apple knows they can lock down the Mac just like iOS and customers will still give them money, so why haven't they? Streaming sites know they can absolutely saturate everyone with ads, and people will not leave, so why haven't they?

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by terminalbraid »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #189
tavavex wrote: post #161

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They do neither of those things because, unlike you, they don't care about improving the user experience. They care about making money through any possible means. 1. Making the system lean means that you'd have to exclude all the ads, all the free tracking you can do to extract more money, all tie-ins with additional Microsoft services you could've done. Getting paid for the product key is just one step of many in th…

> No, you NEED for your investment to have returns, you need AI to succeed If you need AI to succeeed, you better make sure that the users will love the experience, instead of forcing a bad experience upon them.

Until you get yourself into a sunk cost fallacy and don't understand a sunk cost fallacy but only quarterly number go up.
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