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The time has finally come for geothermal energy

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Re: The time has finally come for geothermal energy

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Wild take. New coal is not cheaper. There have been no new coal plants built in the US since 2013. That solar plant you linked is an obsolete experimental technology. Obsolete because regular PV became so much cheaper.

> New coal is not cheaper. I see yow it can read that way but it isn't what I said. Coal plants exist, either shuttered or running low loads due to financial incentives (not favoring them). Studies show solar is cheaper but businesses continue to choose coal. I think the entity who's entire existence depends on them making the correct financial choice is a much better indicator of economic reality than a study made b…

The figures I have seen seem to show that newly installed solar and wind is cheaper than running existing coal plants almost everywhere.

What businesses are choosing coal?

Re: The time has finally come for geothermal energy

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What does "Rejected Energy" mean in that graph? Great chart, by the way.

I live in a part of the world that is far below freezing for a significant portion of the year. Thus a large portion of my annual energy usage goes into not freezing to death. When I drive my daughter to school when it’s -40 fucking degrees, a lot of the energy I use goes into heating my vehicle, swearing, moving and swearing. But this energy also leaks through my windshield, through my exhaust system and through my…

I am afraid you will be the first to migrate after the energy crisis escalates. Next will be millions that live even a little below 0 (Celsius).

Re: The time has finally come for geothermal energy

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This is being done and it's called synthetic inertia. Just with capacitors and batteries instead of spinning motors.

To my knowledge Siemens is currently making a lot of money by adding spinning inertia to the grid because that is easier than getting the response time/power out of electronics.

I am not in that field, just a curious citizen, but Siemens seems to offer synthetic inertia gear too: https://www.siemens-energy.com/global/en/home/products-servi...

Re: The time has finally come for geothermal energy

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Pumped hydro just requires a lake at the bottom of a slope. Unlike hydro generation, it doesn't require flow. Here's almost a million locations suitable for pumped hydro: https://re100.eng.anu.edu.au/global/

Two farm dams at a minimum, one at either end of a slope. You can serve a small town of 500 or so people (plus tourists) with a mini systems for ~ $8 million (AU) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45332157

And that location probably wasn't on the ANU map, meaning there were are far more than 1 million suitable locations.

Re: The time has finally come for geothermal energy

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A IC car’s heating system normally taps into the engine’s cooling system, so that heat is mostly free. In a pinch you can actually turn the heater on full to help cool the radiator.

I had to do that when my radiator sprang a leak on the freeway and the engine heat kept creeping up. Unfortunately it was late summer and not at all pleasant. I managed to get to a gas station with some stop leak in stock... If they didn't, I was ready to crack an egg in it.

I once rode in a friend's car in a similar situation. Very much not pleasant. His problem was a thermostat problem, so he hadn't lost all cooling but enough we used the same workaround. Running the heat in the summer time resulted in a couple of very sweaty dudes.

Re: The time has finally come for geothermal energy

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> Why do energy generation topics bring people out of the woodworks who cite some very idiosycratic one-off and use it to make out-of-proportion declarations about the utility of a given technology? They either have only read propaganda pieces from fossil fuel producers or are trying to create some of those. I would expect the number of people that honestly don't know anything but propaganda to be way higher than the…

I brought up the mirror plant because the molten salt crucible is an example of an attempt to make solar work after hours. It wasn't viable. Solar+storage is not a solved problem. The storage problem gets continually hand waived away in the conversations about how cheap solar is. As I said in a sibling comment, I don't think the people running energy companies are stupid. If solar really was cheaper as a baseline pow…

"They" are doing it! Remarkably, more than half of new energy generation deployed in the United States this year has been from solar. It's arguably the most shovel-ready form of energy infrastructure that exists right now.

Your framework is bizarre in the extreme. Despite the fact that no one thinks of mirror plants as having anything to do with the future of PV generation, you treat the future of all solar as if it hinges on that consideration. Meanwhile, back in reality, solar power could realistically occupy up to 30% of the grid's energy generation capacity without intermittency becoming a deal breaker. Combine that with the fact that the grid itself is going to continue to grow, and so 30% of whatever that future amount of total generation capacity is going to be a rather extraordinarily high number, solar is going to be an exceptionally important part of the energy generation picture in the future even if we never made an inch of progress on solving the intermittency problem. For that matter, it seems infinitely more rational to think that what's actually going to happen is some degree of experimenting with energy storage, more sophisticated demand management, and perhaps partner technologies that ease the stress of base load and peaking responsibilities. But instead of that, you're doing this completely out of left field U-turn towards solar mirrors.

So again, it's bizarre in the extreme to take that picture, which is about billions of dollars of grid infrastructure and multiple Terawatts of energy, and swap that out for a hypothetical relating to mirror plants, which is never going to happen in which no one is seriously entertaining, and to treat that question like it's decisive about the fate of solar power in the future.

This is what I mean about people coming out of the woodwork and treating big picture energy questions like they hinge on these bizarre idiosyncratic hypotheticals that have nothing to do with anything.

Re: The time has finally come for geothermal energy

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> If solar really was cheaper as a baseline power supply, what it needs to be to replace fossil fuels, they'd be doing it. So, you haven't looked at what energy companies are doing for the last 3 years...

Sure. Building out renewables while still keeping their coal/methane plants running. Then again, with the abundance of rooftop solar where it's economical, there's really no need for utility level solar. Wind is good still but also inconsistent. With the way power demand is growing, new fossil plants aren't being built really because renewables can pick up a lot of the new demand but solar is at the point in some pla…

> while still keeping their coal/methane plants running

Methane, yes. The coal plants are being slowly shut down, as they are too expensive to run even after they were paid for.

You also seem to ignore the huge amount of utility-level PV farms and generation-side storage built recently. You are technically correct in that renewables don't fit everywhere, but that's again a common propaganda phrase because they fit the places where almost everybody lives, and long distance transmission already solves the problem for most people outside of that area.

Re: The time has finally come for geothermal energy

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Things are more expensive when we keep reinventing the wheel and trying to do new things instead of just reusing proven designs. Remember that solar power also used to cost wheelbarrows of cash back in the day. When you do something repeatedly, it becomes less expensive over time. Nuclear is actually the leader in waste management. No other energy source has as complete a story. Eg what happens to solar panels when t…

Solar panels do not become useless in 25 years and need to be discarded, do not leach toxic chemicals, and do not contain cadmium. They do contain small amounts of lead, but leaching metallic lead out of landfills is very difficult and probably does not ever happen unintentionally.

'The most common reason that solar panels would be determined to be hazardous waste would be by meeting the characteristic of toxicity. Heavy metals like lead and cadmium may be leachable at such concentrations that waste panels would fail the toxicity characteristic leaching procedure (TCLP)'

https://www.epa.gov/hw/end-life-solar-panels-regulations-and...

'Today, roughly 90 percent of panels in the U.S. that have lost their efficiency due to age, or that are defective, end up in landfills because that option costs a fraction of recycling them.'

https://e360.yale.edu/features/solar-energy-panels-recycling

And for good measure: 'Recycling Lead for U.S. Car Batteries is Poisoning People'

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/11/18/world/africa/...

Re: The time has finally come for geothermal energy

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> If solar really was cheaper as a baseline power supply, what it needs to be to replace fossil fuels, they'd be doing it. So, you haven't looked at what energy companies are doing for the last 3 years...

Sure. Building out renewables while still keeping their coal/methane plants running. Then again, with the abundance of rooftop solar where it's economical, there's really no need for utility level solar. Wind is good still but also inconsistent. With the way power demand is growing, new fossil plants aren't being built really because renewables can pick up a lot of the new demand but solar is at the point in some pla…

>while still keeping their coal/methane plants running

At lower capacity because their generation is being actively offset by renewables.

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