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Re: I don’t need a Steam Machine

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Valve is still evil, just like any for-profit tech corps. They have made a fortune in csgo gambling boxes

I guess we have different definitions of ‘evil.’

Average HN user has happily chugged the sugar coated propaganda from valve, which paints them as a saint which they clearly aren't

Re: I don’t need a Steam Machine

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I wish I had that kind of money. Making a purchase solely for such reasons is completely out of the question for me. And for most people I'd assume?

Ultimately every purchase you make is a vote in support of the company/org you are buying from. Why do you go to one grocery store vs another? One hairdresser vs another?

Maybe I'm misinterpreting the blog and/or comment, but if I don't need groceries, and can list 20+ reasons why I don't need groceries, I'm not going to get groceries anyway just because I like the grocery store very very much.

Re: I don’t need a Steam Machine

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> If this thing is way cheaper than a regular computer of the same spec, corporations will just buy up Steam Machines by the palette load and use them as office machines or whatever On one hand, this would be a problem. On the other hand, if the Steam Machine doesn't support windows, businesses fleeing from MS Windows en masse because the Steam Machine is cheap would be a VERY interesting turn of events, and I'd be V…

Sorry if I was unclear, but what I was saying was that this would be unsustainable because the only way it'd be possible is if Valve was subsidizing each unit in hopes of recouping their losses on Steam game sales. If that happened, Valve would get bankrupted by companies buying up subsidized Steam Machines with no intention of playing games on them.

Yes that's what I understood. But it'd still be insteresting.

Amazon was once a bookstore. There's nothing stopping Steam from adapting to a "Steam Business Machines" / "Steam OS Business Edition" once it has a foothold in the business market. After all, the store already distributes software, they're just not as popular as games. So if this scenario were to happen, and Microsoft failed to react, I'm sure Steam would adapt very quickly to take advantage of it rather than sit and wait for the bankruptcy.

Re: I don’t need a Steam Machine

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The Arduino was 30$ when it came out. The Raspberry was 35$. I'd be astonished if they manage to get the Steam Machine down to 800$ (bundled with a controller). Knowing how Valve loves their margins, it's probably closer to 1000$ or even more. This is not something you spontaneously buy to play around with.

In one of the interviews that came out when the Steam Machine embargo ended, someone from Valve said that, unlike with Steam Deck, they can't afford to sell at a loss because the form factor and the OS of the Machine make it possible to buy it just for general compute, which would be devastating with negative margins. So, unfortunately, I guess it will be 800-1000$ in the end

That is still cheaper than the index when it came out, and it sounds like a general improvement in all areas. Flagship vr for less than the cost of the latest smartphone seems pretty reasonable given how low adoption is.

Re: I don’t need a Steam Machine

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Is it truly either-or? Obviously the root of anti-cheat needs to be totally locked down, aka the TPM. But almost all "open" computers have a locked down TPM. The TPM doesn't need to prevent you from running an unsigned firmware, kernel, modules or user software, it only needs to report on whether you are / have. You can reboot your computer into "trusted" mode and run your games with anti-cheat. Then when you're done…

You ask if it's either intrusive spyware or if it's a locked down system and then describe dual-booting intrusive spyware. A TPM is entirely under your control. It's designed in such a way that you can't do certain things with data within it, but that's not because (at least in theory) someone else can and is controlling your TPM to prevent you from doing those things. The TPM, unlike an installation of Windows, does…

What I'm describing is exactly the situation now. Many people dual boot Windows & Linux, with kernel level anti-cheat on their Windows partition. The existence of Linux on the same computer does not prevent the kernel level anti-cheat from working on Windows.

Similarly, the presence of unsigned software on a computer would not stop a Linux kernel level anti-cheat from working, and the kernel level anti-cheat shouldn't prevent the unsigned software from working. Once you run that unsigned software, your machine is tainted similarly to the way your kernel is tainted if you load the NVidia driver.

Re: I don’t need a Steam Machine

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> without ever touching a controller, why would I start now? I feel similar, but for us there's also no point to get a Steam Machine. Playing games while sitting on a living room couch in front of a TV with mouse and keyboard is not comfortable at all. Using mouse and keyboard it is better to play games at a proper desk with an office chair and I already have such a PC.

I don't :) I have an M1 Macbook, no gaming for me. So the Steam Machine is perfect for me. I can just tap a button, it'll turn on and I can be gaming on my main monitor before I have time to grab a controller.

Yeah that's true. But I suppose you could just as well buy any other windows/linux PC. (I did so after finally ditching the playing-games-in-bootcamp-on-an-imac life.) I realize the same could be said about the "a box under the living room tv" use case, but I feel like to a lesser degree?

Re: I don’t need a Steam Machine

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I don't need any of the 3 announced Steam hardware products, I already have a decent gaming PC running Steam on Ubuntu, a VR headset (Meta Quest 3, that I would not have bought had I known earlier, though it works wonders streaming PCVR games through ALVR+SteamVR) and a classic Steam controller that is more reliable that my Xbox One one on BLE.

But I do benefit from the announcement, because this means Valve will continue investing in the GNU/Linux ecosystem, and this will net more Linux players, which in turn means better software overall. Yay!

Re: I don’t need a Steam Machine

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I don’t care about the Steam tax. Steam is one of the few storefronts that actually show me what I want. That give me the ability to download any game I downloaded 20 years ago when I first installed it. They went through a few dozen iterations of nonsense social stuff, but through that all the core functionality just kept working. I hate the iOS store because it’s full of ad-riddled slop. Steam isn’t remotely close…

Steam definitely has a ton of garbage, half-assed, slop games on it. They definitely were not made with time and love.

And these games are usually review bombed to hell so that consumers can inform other people to stay away. It is an open marketplace

Re: I don’t need a Steam Machine

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> In two years, you’ll upgrade your M1 to an M4+: there’s the power upgrade. Only to play almost nothing or very badly if not supported natively. And no devs won't support mac games there is no incentive. Emulation is subpar compared to Proton on Linux, Apple people should really start stop thinking macbooks can do modern gaming, excepts for a couple of Capcom portings that were paid by apple to have them and some re…

Supporting games on Mac is a huge hassle for developers for several reasons.

It is painfully annoying to compile any MacOS application without actually having a machine with Xcode installed. The server solutions you can get a hold of are bad because apple will not sell any rack mounted servers to the public and the machines they do sell are restricted to a max of two instances of OSX virtualized.

Your best bet is to rent a Mac server from one of these providers who just hoarde mac minis and throw them in custom datacenter racks

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