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SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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Post by freediver »

chromehearts wrote: post #233

Very interesting tbh! + I have never heard from kagi until now & I just decided to check out following link https://help.kagi.com/kagi/why-kagi/why-pay-for-search.html Now tell me why the whole article has been written by AI? It's literally AI slop itself > # The hidden price tag > In 2022, advertisers spent $185.35 billion to influence your search results. By 2028, they'll spend $261 billion. This isn't just numbers…

I wrote the article personally, before LLMs were a thing. And you have git history of changes as our entire documentation is open source. People usualy cite it as a well written page.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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Post by postalcoder »

thefringthing wrote: post #249
postalcoder wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just requested access to the database @freediver so hopefully it should be integrated into https://hcker.news soon. I appreciate Kagi's community-driven approach. The open Small Web list[0] is invaluable. Applying a smallweb filter[1] on HN brings a breath of fresh air to the frontpage. 0: https://github.com/kagisearch/smallweb 1: https://hcker.news/?smallweb=true

Is there a simple way to turn a set of hcker.news feed settings into an RSS feed?

Not yet. I've gotten a bunch of requests for it but I haven't scoped it out yet. Could you send me an email? It'll be helpful to have your input.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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Post by watwut »

anal_reactor wrote: post #208
zrobotics wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, that certainly is a hot take, but you are getting down voted without people responding why. I can certainly understand just wanting filler content just for background noise, I had the history for sleep channel recommended to me via the algorithm because I do use those types of videos specifically to fall asleep to. However, and I don't know which video it was, but I clicked on a video, and within 5 minutes th…

I feel like people's pride is getting in the way. On this website people want to present themselves as intelectuals, and anything that breaks this image is a big no-no. Nobody wants to watch slop, everyone wants quality content, yet for some curious, inexplicable reason that scientist all over the world scratch their heads over, most TV channels start as "The Learning Channel" and end up as TLC. Regarding the second…

And people who wanted that quality content alwaya desert the channel you talk about. Your argument really boils down to "if you are not the biggest economic driver, cheap to produce then you have no right for that preference".

And even worst "serious history dont need to exist, because most people just want something relaxing after stresful day".

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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Post by cschep »

SkyBelow wrote: post #79
cschep wrote: post #59

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This is an absurd comparison - you (presumably) made a commitment to your wife. There is no such commitment on a public blog?

Is it that absurd? We have many expectations in society which often aren't formalized into a stated commitment. Is it really unreasonable to have some commitment towards society to these less formally stated expectations? And is expecting communication presented as being human to human to actually be from a human unreasonable for such an expectation? I think not. If you were to find out that the people replying to yo…

I do appreciate this side of the argument but.. do you think that the level/strength of a marriage commitment is worthy of comparison to walking by someone in public / riding the same subway as them randomly / visiting their blog?

They seem world's apart to me!

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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Post by paradox460 »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #196
paradox460 wrote: post #105

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Reddit has been full of bad fake stories for ages. All that AI does is automate it

Karma farming accounts I guess. I loved it when sometimes on r/Aita or something people would call out the sheer inconsistencies of the karma farming accounts "So you are telling me that you were 26 year old and now you are suddenly 40??" Or just sheer inconsistencies which can make one laugh at the whole situation.

The biggest problem is every story telling sub eventually grows the rule "don't question the story"

I'm not sure why the mods adopt it. Maybe they think having a comment section full of people calling out a lie isn't good or something, but whenever the rule goes into place it's like a switch is thrown, and shortly thereafter all the stores in that sub will rot away into lies

Happened to tales from tech support, I don't work here, several parenting subreddits, aita, and more

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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Post by VHRanger »

ro_bit wrote: post #184

I notice a distinction made in the docs for image, video, and "web page" slop. Will there be a way to aggressively categorize filter web page slop separately from the other two? There's an uncomfortable amount of authors, even posted on this forum, who write insightful posts that (at least from what I can tell) aren't AI slop, but for some reason they decide to header it with a generated image. While I find that dist…

Yes we were aware of that when building it.

Image slop is directly detectable by a model, but web page slop is necessarily a multi-signal system (page format, who posted it, link structure, content,...)

So having AI images in a webpage is just one input signal for the page being slop (it's not even used yet in the classification for webpages).

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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Post by anal_reactor »

watwut wrote: post #253
anal_reactor wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like people's pride is getting in the way. On this website people want to present themselves as intelectuals, and anything that breaks this image is a big no-no. Nobody wants to watch slop, everyone wants quality content, yet for some curious, inexplicable reason that scientist all over the world scratch their heads over, most TV channels start as "The Learning Channel" and end up as TLC. Regarding the second…

And people who wanted that quality content alwaya desert the channel you talk about. Your argument really boils down to "if you are not the biggest economic driver, cheap to produce then you have no right for that preference". And even worst "serious history dont need to exist, because most people just want something relaxing after stresful day".

You're absolutely right!

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #76

So we have two universes. One is pushing generated content up our throats - from social media to operating systems - and another universe where people actively decide not to have anything to do with it. I wonder where the obstinacy on the part of certain CEOs come from. It's clear that although such content does have its fans (mostly grouped in communities), people at large just hate arificially-generated content. We…

> people at large

In your social circles.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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Post by VHRanger »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #155
orbital-decay wrote: post #133

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Here's what pattern suppression actually does on a model that's trained to open its writing with "You're absolutely right.": You're spot-on. You're bang-on. You're dead right. You're 100% correct. I couldn't agree more. I agree completely. That's exactly right. That's absolutely correct. That's on the nose. You hit the nail on the head. Right you are. Very true. Exactly — well said. Precisely so. No argument from me.…

"This sampling strategy ... [is] terribly misguided, because they don't fix the underlying mode collapse... If you naively suppress repetitive n-grams ... it will just slip out at the first chance, spamming you with minor non-repetitive variations of the same high-level idea." This is a colossal strawman! You're confusing two completely different problems: One is Semantic Mode Collapse, which is when the model is gen…

Thanks for this response by the way, It's useful knowledge.
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