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Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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Clearly how? Seems to me analogous to Tesla where the one thing he's clearly fixated on (Cybertruck and Starship) are very likely to be flops and potentially take down each company as a whole.

Starship will definitely ship Starlink

If that’s all it does, it’s a failed program

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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Some would say Tesla has been over hyped as well.

They can say, but in open markets Teslas sell better than cheaper BYD’s.

1. Are there any truly open markets for cars?

2. Tesla China has factories in China, was still #8 in Chinese market, with BYD at #1, if this source from 2024 is correct: https://carnewschina.com/2024/07/14/best-selling-vehicle-bra...

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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Well we're going to have a new president in a little over 2 years so I'm not sure why you say "never."

You're awaiting a new president with hopes the Chinese can again saturate the market with more of their cheap junk?

The Chinese make any level of quality you are willing to pay for.

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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Yes. The frame is welded, but more and more the body panels are glued. BMW has been doing this for a while. Modern adhesives are as strong as spot welds for this sort of thing.

People constantly underestimate adhesives. Properly applied wood glue is stronger than the wood itself. The problem with gluing everything together is repairability.

Adhesives also allow using thinner metal for the panels, which saves weight and cost. Metal gets harder to weld when it's thin. Though newer laser welding technologies may offer some improvement.

I think the adhesives will release with heat but honestly I'm not sure how body work is done on those.

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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The least of its problems IMO, when the Cybertruck looks like it was designed to inflict maximum harm to pedestrians in a crash. The fact that such an obviously destructive design is legal on public roads should be setting off alarm bells at the USDOT and NHTSA.

It looks like it's designed to inflict maximum harm, but it seems that it's actually less likely to kill you than an F-150 or Silverado or Ram. It has a lower hood height which is the aspect that has been hypothesized to be the reason that trucks kill pedestrians at a much greater rate than cars. I'm not trying to condone Cybertruck here. I hope the Cybertruck becomes a rallying cry to mandate pedestrian safety in th…

It's certainly a conversation worth having, but a fundamental difference between the CT and something like an F150 is utility -- the CT is unapologetically a lifestyle vehicle emphasizing form over function. A regular pickup is very utilitarian. I know it's fashionable to argue that half-ton pickups are very commonly used as lifestyle pickups too, but at least the design is clearly aimed at function over form.

So the argument probably is less about how the design should change, but how to avoid incentivizing the use of utility vehicles for family duty.

Disclaimer: I drive an F150 Lightning, so I'm part of the problem I suppose; but damn if it isn't just about the most useful all-around family vehicle I've ever owned. As long as you don't routinely drive downtown, and I don't.

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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The least of its problems IMO, when the Cybertruck looks like it was designed to inflict maximum harm to pedestrians in a crash. The fact that such an obviously destructive design is legal on public roads should be setting off alarm bells at the USDOT and NHTSA.

Mechanically sure, but I still feel way safer when a Tesla (of any kind) is approaching me as a pedestrian or bicyclist than any other vehicle (except maybe Waymo) because I know they will alert the driver and brake if necessary. Any other car, especially older trucks, I'm quite afraid of, based on experience.

Virtually every car made in the past 5-10 years emergency brakes. I mean, modern Honda's have the same level of autonomous driving as Teslas.

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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post #252

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They can say, but in open markets Teslas sell better than cheaper BYD’s.

1. Are there any truly open markets for cars? 2. Tesla China has factories in China, was still #8 in Chinese market, with BYD at #1, if this source from 2024 is correct: https://carnewschina.com/2024/07/14/best-selling-vehicle-bra...

Australia, NZ.

I've test drove my mates atto3, I have model y. He's got lots of regrets, fixes. It's made from good materials, styled poorly and technology is like everyone else - poorly done. Price does reflect it, no free lunch.

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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Well we're going to have a new president in a little over 2 years so I'm not sure why you say "never."

You're awaiting a new president with hopes the Chinese can again saturate the market with more of their cheap junk?

As opposed to American cars, which are, as we all know, not junk.

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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It looks like it's designed to inflict maximum harm, but it seems that it's actually less likely to kill you than an F-150 or Silverado or Ram. It has a lower hood height which is the aspect that has been hypothesized to be the reason that trucks kill pedestrians at a much greater rate than cars. I'm not trying to condone Cybertruck here. I hope the Cybertruck becomes a rallying cry to mandate pedestrian safety in th…

It's certainly a conversation worth having, but a fundamental difference between the CT and something like an F150 is utility -- the CT is unapologetically a lifestyle vehicle emphasizing form over function. A regular pickup is very utilitarian. I know it's fashionable to argue that half-ton pickups are very commonly used as lifestyle pickups too, but at least the design is clearly aimed at function over form. So the…

I can't say I agree that "regular pickups" are very utilitarian, unless you're talking about the base trim work trucks. They seem to me to be incredibly expensive luxury vehicles for the most part.

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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It looks like it's designed to inflict maximum harm, but it seems that it's actually less likely to kill you than an F-150 or Silverado or Ram. It has a lower hood height which is the aspect that has been hypothesized to be the reason that trucks kill pedestrians at a much greater rate than cars. I'm not trying to condone Cybertruck here. I hope the Cybertruck becomes a rallying cry to mandate pedestrian safety in th…

It's certainly a conversation worth having, but a fundamental difference between the CT and something like an F150 is utility -- the CT is unapologetically a lifestyle vehicle emphasizing form over function. A regular pickup is very utilitarian. I know it's fashionable to argue that half-ton pickups are very commonly used as lifestyle pickups too, but at least the design is clearly aimed at function over form. So the…

A pickup from the last century is utilitarian with their 8 foot beds and a box height low enough to reach in from the side. Modern pickups much less so.
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