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Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

estearum wrote: post #241
ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lol breaking asylum laws is bad but breaking immigration laws is fine.

“lol” no one said it’s fine to break immigration laws. I’d suggest though that our government breaking laws is in fact worse than random individuals breaking laws. That’s true for pretty obvious reasons, I’ll add.

>That’s true for pretty obvious reasons

Illegal immigration can best be thought of as a slow-moving constitutional crisis. An increasingly large portion of the electorate wants decisive solutions to illegal immigration and will vote for the person who gives them that, regardless of the constitutionality.

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Post by tastyface »

remarkEon wrote: post #184
Izikiel43 wrote: post #71

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Yes, that's my experience when having to explain what getting a greencard entails, most people have no idea how the whole thing works.

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This is a non-sequitur response to the thread.

"Turns out that most people actually want a more liberal immigration system than we currently have when surveyed"

"That lines up with my experience describing the greencard process to others"

"Well immigration should not be easy"

Your personal opinions on immigration are not really relevant to the topic.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by estearum »

ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #251
estearum wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“lol” no one said it’s fine to break immigration laws. I’d suggest though that our government breaking laws is in fact worse than random individuals breaking laws. That’s true for pretty obvious reasons, I’ll add.

>That’s true for pretty obvious reasons Illegal immigration can best be thought of as a slow-moving constitutional crisis. An increasingly large portion of the electorate wants decisive solutions to illegal immigration and will vote for the person who gives them that, regardless of the constitutionality.

This argument can be raised by anyone seeking to undermine the Constitution as it relates to any pet cause they care most about.

“Wealth inequality is… therefore property rights don’t matter”

“Climate change is… therefore freedom of movement doesn’t matter”

“Foreign influence is… therefore freedom of speech doesn’t matter”

“School shootings are… therefore the second amendment doesn’t matter”

All the same seditious, un-American attitude.

We have a system for resolving these disputes! It’s all laid out in the Constitution.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by Eisenstein »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #234
Eisenstein wrote: post #188

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Correction: it was actually southern Democrats that did Jim Crow. The Democratic party used to be quite different before the civil rights bill.

No, it was Republicans (today) who used to be democrats in that era. parties are made up of people, it was the same people or their ideological inheritors. Many republicans today in congress (especially leadership) were of voting age in that era. a 20 year old in 1969 would be 75 today, younger than the current and former president.

Were they Democrats at that time, or not?

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by aerostable_slug »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #129
ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #34

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>when they can just cross the border This is also a choice for the people in charge of the border. Enforcing a border is a solved problem for a rich, large-population nation.

employers hiring illegal migrants is also an option for them. those employers are not being targeted by ICE. It's the DEA arresting drug users but being buddies with drug lords all over again.

Employers are being targeted [0]. It also can be difficult to successfully prosecute, especially when one can maintain a clean separation between the labor and the enterprise (agriculture is like this with Farm Labor Contractors).

That said, I wish they would step up the prosecutions. It's critical to hammer away at economic incentives for illegal migration.

[0] https://www.cpr.org/2025/04/30/ice-fines-colorado-janitorial...

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Post by Eisenstein »

remarkEon wrote: post #222
Eisenstein wrote: post #192

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Is self-determination a human right? We certainly decided a lot of nations to the south of us didn't deserve that right. Look up the history of the banana republics some time.

Up until it conflicts with my country’s rights, yes. Not sure what you’re suggesting. Is mass migration to the United States the policy of, say, Mexico?

I'm suggesting that we spent a lot of effort overturning elected governments in South America because we didn't like who they voted for and what their policies were with regard to US fruit companies. US policy directly created instability, civil war, and a generally terrible situation that they are dealing with now. Do you know what a banana republic is?

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by Eisenstein »

Izikiel43 wrote: post #225
Eisenstein wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is self-determination a human right? We certainly decided a lot of nations to the south of us didn't deserve that right. Look up the history of the banana republics some time.

You seem to just realize that countries deal with the rule of might, not words. Words are worthless unless you have the power to enforce them.

Very insightful.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by michaelt »

sixothree wrote: post #250
mikkupikku wrote: post #197

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Redactions are necessary to protect innocent members of the public. Going through all the footage from every officer every single day to perform these redactions would require a huge amount of manpower. That may change with new technology, but until it can be automated reliably, the WA legislature got this right. With shit like traffic cameras, I don't think redactions are necessary, although it would be nice if all…

> Redactions are necessary to protect innocent members of the public If these controls don't exist inside the organization, they shouldn't exist for the public either.

I think it would generally be a good thing for cops kicking down doors to have working body cameras; the state's monopoly on violence is easily abused, and should be carefully monitored.

But if the cops get the wrong address for their no-knock warrant, kick down my door, and find me jerking off in my bedroom - I would prefer the footage not be made public.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by whatshisface »

aerostable_slug wrote: post #63
whatshisface wrote: post #22

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It shouldn't have been installed in the first place, but in real life, sometimes people need a concrete example to realize something others figured out from principles.

There is no concrete example. Nothing actually happened. ICE didn't access the cameras. I feel like I'm the only one who read the article.

What they have, thankfully, is a concrete example of there being such a thing as an uncivil authority, not a concrete example of their mistake leading to irreparable harm.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by captainkrtek »

helterskelter wrote: post #217

I'm in the PNW and they put Flock cameras up in my area recently. Nobody likes them (libs or cons), and we've seen some rather creative approaches to uh...disabling them. One person took a pipe cutter to the mount and spirited the whole unit away, another apparently fired a shotgun slug through it, somebody else looks like they used it to relieve their anger problems with a metal pipe. Flock cameras, America's bipart…

Is there a way to see where they are located? Or which cities are installing them? Hadn’t heard of them til this week
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