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Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by jordanb »

sargun wrote: post #193
ebbi wrote: post #157

Taking inspiration from the East India Company, Apple should colonize the UK and take over the government - the iGovernment, if you will. Citizens will regain their right to e2ee privacy, they will not have to deal with voting for mediocre politicians to lead them. Instead, Tim Cook will be their new leader, and every morning over the mandatory installation of HomePods in each home, citizens will be greeted with an e…

I have wondered why the likes of McKinsey, KPMG, and PWC do not put up candidates (don't even sponsor them, just say you're electing _well known consultancy_).

This is basically Pete Buttigieg

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Post by [deleted] »

bnastic wrote: post #172
amelius wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's an Apple problem, because with libre tools you can run your own software to circumvent this law.

You can run your own software, but if asked by UK authorities to provide the keys/password and you don't comply you face prison time.

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Post by mlrtime »

al_borland wrote: post #234
vkou wrote: post #79

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You're asking for a monkey's paw. The current ruling party in the US has given its voters exactly what they think they wanted, and it's a fucking disaster.

My day-to-day life has never been impacted by who is in the White House. Where is the disaster?

I saw this all the time to people. What happens in the white house doesn't affect people nearly as much as what happens locally, but its a 'disaster'?

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by DSingularity »

jordanb wrote: post #249
zmmmmm wrote: post #227

I know this is a tangent but honestly, this is why the Google decision to de-openify Android is insane even from Google's point of view. Who would want to be an iron clad gate keeper when the world is descending into authoritarianism? You just paint a giant target on your back for the authoritarians to come after. If Apple had supported open iCloud alternatives for backup and other services from day one, it woudn't e…

The tech bros are of the opinion that they can ride the rising authoritarianism like a Fremen riding a sandworm.

lol

Tech bros helped Israel genocide Gaza. Tech bros are pro-authoritarianism.

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Post by sethherr »

zmmmmm wrote: post #227

I know this is a tangent but honestly, this is why the Google decision to de-openify Android is insane even from Google's point of view. Who would want to be an iron clad gate keeper when the world is descending into authoritarianism? You just paint a giant target on your back for the authoritarians to come after. If Apple had supported open iCloud alternatives for backup and other services from day one, it woudn't e…

I think the fact that Apple is having to fight this fight is evidence of why they were right to make a secure walled garden. I don’t know of any other service I would recommend my mother use for securely backing up her phone.

I think the UK is ultimately going to roll back this law. I don’t think this means that iCloud E2E is hostile to Apple or its users. I think Apple is going to win.

The war isn’t won by telling people to use GPG https://moxie.org/2015/02/24/gpg-and-me.html

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Post by bigyabai »

bnastic wrote: post #174

Isn't Apple taking UK gov't to court over this, and the reason they have abandoned encryption for everybody is to avoid being forced to provide backdoors. On this you should be on their side, not against them.

> On this you should be on their side

If Apple was transparent, I would be. But they are user-hostile and trust the federal government more than their customers. Apple is on-record[0] admitting that the US government requires them to their cover-up cooperation with surveillance. After decades of users demanding proper accountability from Apple, this is exactly what they warned would happen.

You have no right to demand that I take their side - Apple's disregard for privacy nauseates me. Everyone who sincerely trusted Apple to protect them against the fed is a lost cause. Go ask Apple to save you.

[0] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-...

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Post by 978689757846 »

ungreased0675 wrote: post #224
thewebguyd wrote: post #138

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> but it's just so easy to fall into nationalistic prattle instead of fixing the real problem. Right. This, right now, is 100% a UK problem. De-Americanising your tech stack isn't going to fix the political issues domestically. Hence Apple pulling ADP out, they made the choice of not complying with the UK and not offering the service instead of compromising the service for everyone else in the world. UK citizens need…

Last time I was in the UK, the news (BBC) was bizarrely 90% American politics. Trump this, Trump did that, etc. People there knew American politicians better than the people who actually represent them.

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Post by smsm42 »

jlokier wrote: post #197
smsm42 wrote: post #153

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Yes, it's nothing to do with Apple per se - any major E2E provider would be under the same attack. The problem here is UK government is drunk with power and doesn't want their citizens to have any privacy rights, and UK citizens are largely ok with that, as evidenced by them keeping to elect such governments. Apple is just the most prominent target of the attack - eventually, they will try to attack smaller targets s…

> UK citizens are largely ok with that, as evidenced by them keeping to elect such governments I don't think that's true. I think plenty of UK citizens do want better privacy rights and data protection, as evidenced by the very large petition against national ID cards for example. It doesn't win the vote because it's not the most important factor when it comes to voting, because there are bigger issues people care ab…

> It doesn't win the vote because it's not the most important factor when it comes to voting,

This implies there's a vote for and against it, but is there? I didn't see any party or serious political movement raise this as an important issue. Why? Because they assume it won't bring them any additional votes, because their potential voters don't care. If they don't care, they get what they get.

> So issues like privacy which aren't at the top of people's concerns

So, you are agreeing with me. If you say "sure, I'd like some privacy, maybe, but I don't care enough about this to bother to tell my rep that I'm even interested in this" - then you are "ok with that" as I said.

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Post by 978689757846 »

vkou wrote: post #79
infinitezest wrote: post #69

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It must be nice to live somewhere that has politicians that represent the will of the people enough to have a take like this. Where I live, your vote only counts if you have enough money.

You're asking for a monkey's paw. The current ruling party in the US has given its voters exactly what they think they wanted, and it's a fucking disaster.

I take it you consume BBC "content"?

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Post by sota_pop »

ebbi wrote: post #157

Taking inspiration from the East India Company, Apple should colonize the UK and take over the government - the iGovernment, if you will. Citizens will regain their right to e2ee privacy, they will not have to deal with voting for mediocre politicians to lead them. Instead, Tim Cook will be their new leader, and every morning over the mandatory installation of HomePods in each home, citizens will be greeted with an e…

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