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Post by wongarsu »

lobf wrote: post #228
nandomrumber wrote: post #227

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Did we ever allow the students to smoke in the classroom?

We allowed it in designated areas outside the classroom between classes…

My school even had a gazebo on the school yard so smokers didn't have to stand in the rain. They literally spent money to accommodate smokers.

Of course by the time I was there smoking on school grounds was prohibited, so smokers had to go just beyond the gate. Which students were not allowed to, but few teachers were willing to enforce that

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Post by LtWorf »

squigz wrote: post #142
ironSkillet wrote: post #138

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I think the user means that bullies in school face little consequences, but a bully at work may get called by HR and potentially disciplined.

Oh fair enough. My apologies Mr Worf. I don't fully agree - plenty of shitty behavior gets ignored (or even encouraged) even in a workplace - but there's definitely some truth here.

It's way easier to change workplace than to change school, so I don't think it can get so extreme.

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Post by pjc50 »

harvey9 wrote: post #220
mjbale116 wrote: post #189

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Here's a couple of arguments I had to deal with whilst expressing my support for electronics ban at schools including a blanket social media ban: 1) "Since when do we consider it OK for the government to intervene between the parents and their children and telling them whats good and whats not? They know best." 2) "Whoever does not want to use electronics at school grounds are free to do so who are we to constrain th…

Forbidding things doesn't work. Not for kids and not for adults. Hence speakeasys and the end of prohibition, or the war on drugs (which was won by drugs).

Eh, nuance: forbidding things entirely, which people want to do, and don't really harm others, doesn't work.

Having separate spaces works a lot better. Which is why we have alcohol venue licensing. Forbidding kids from phones entirely, at the same time as adults are on them constantly, isn't going to work. But having a phone-free space like a smoke-free space is more viable.

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Post by pjc50 »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #132
SchemaLoad wrote: post #110

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I feel like we have had a long history of overreacting to new things. "D&D is the devil", "Rock music is evil", etc. But we have just encountered one of the rare times where something new actually was harmful. But it rolled in so rapidly that it was universal before we had the chance to push back. I think chatbots and AR glasses are going to supercharge these social problems at a rate much faster than phones and face…

Sports gambling is astoundingly popular for teen boys. Already the prevalence of zero sum games like crypto and day trading was getting to be too trendy for teenagers, and this shit just supercharges it.

Isn't that actually illegal in most jurisdictions? But the betting companies seem to have effectively bribed legislatures in the past couple of decades.

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Post by StarGrit »

throwaway290 wrote: post #246
StarGrit wrote: post #244

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Firstly, I love the straw-man. I am fine with length and the more story driven approach if it is warranted. More often than not I do not believe it is warranted. Secondly, I am allowed (whether you like it or not) to complain about something if I don't like it. I find this style annoying and I often believe it is written in a way to manipulate people, which I have a distaste for. Thirdly, whether I am in a vocal mino…

You're allowed to complain of course. Just like people are allowed to write these stories and me and people who upvoted this allowed to do the opposite of complaining. whether you like it or not. There's nothing wrong in being in minority but I guess because it is on frontpage it says something about preferences of majority.

> You're allowed to complain of course.

Why then make it sound like I can't by deliberately misstating my position in a completely ridiculous manner to be as argumentative as possible?

> Just like people are allowed to write these stories and me and people who upvoted this allowed to do the opposite of complaining. whether you like it or not

I never said once they weren't allowed to. I said I found the writing style annoying.

> There's nothing wrong in being in minority but I guess because it is on frontpage it says something about preferences of majority.

It doesn't say anything about the preferences on the majority. A minority of people would have up-voted this as well. Many other people may have found it annoying that said nothing or simply ignored it. You don't know their numbers. So this is speculation.

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Post by HollowVoice »

ForgetItJake wrote: post #208
mjbale116 wrote: post #198

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> I don't see what you're saying. Are you saying people must think the same things as you do for it to be independent thought? Indeed you don't; let me help you out then: Arguments must be made in good faith; and when you hear anyone saying anything I mentioned above it is immediately obvious that they are not arguing in good faith. If they think they are, then their decision making centre is compromised by cnbc and…

You can't just declare any opposition to your point of view as being in bad faith. (which is ironically in bad faith) > If they think they are, then their decision making centre is compromised by cnbc and fox news and their opinion must be dismissed. I hope you're trolling, because if not...

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Post by mnky9800n »

SchemaLoad wrote: post #110
chis wrote: post #91

It's so insane that they let things go this far. It could have been immediately obvious to those involved that cell phones in class would have immensely negative effects. I mean they talk about a lunch room "quiet enough to hear a pin drop"?? I think I learned half my basic social skills from lunch rooms in school. That time period is probably more important than any of the classes themselves.

I feel like we have had a long history of overreacting to new things. "D&D is the devil", "Rock music is evil", etc. But we have just encountered one of the rare times where something new actually was harmful. But it rolled in so rapidly that it was universal before we had the chance to push back. I think chatbots and AR glasses are going to supercharge these social problems at a rate much faster than phones and face…

give me a break. you don't need data to know that a child lacks the self control to not look at their phone when they need to be doing anything else. smartphones are almost 20 years old. There are adults going to university and into the workforce that grew up without knowing a world without smartphones.

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Post by HollowVoice »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #202
mjbale116 wrote: post #198

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> I don't see what you're saying. Are you saying people must think the same things as you do for it to be independent thought? Indeed you don't; let me help you out then: Arguments must be made in good faith; and when you hear anyone saying anything I mentioned above it is immediately obvious that they are not arguing in good faith. If they think they are, then their decision making centre is compromised by cnbc and…

Indeed you don't It seems that they do indeed see what you’re saying…

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Post by [deleted] »

jabroni_salad wrote: post #22
sidewndr46 wrote: post #16

This is really funny for me to read because as a kid we were prohibited from having telecommunications devices while at school entirely. We were also prohibited from speaking during lunchtime. Our lunch was most definitely not loud.

When I was in elementary school one of the teachers would hold a decibel meter and subtract minutes off of recess if we got above a whispered conversation.

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