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I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

teepo wrote: post #235
Freedom2 wrote: post #66

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> Whenever natural gas supply is turned off in the US, for any reason, only the gas company can turn it back on Doesn't match my experience. My colleagues and I are able to turn on or off the gas supply to our houses at will.

often around here in texas, when the gas is turned off due to an issue, the gas company disables the meter, or even removes or bypasses it. And I live in gas land, where we have natural gas piped in to the kitchen, bathrooms, laundry, outside for grills, as well as the furnace. We've seen it a lot, if you call the gas company about smelling gas, they come and remove your gas meter until you hire a plumber to go find…

What needs gas in the bathroom?!

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

jeffbee wrote: post #94
masklinn wrote: post #81

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Not in any sort of meaningful way no. Pockets dissolving seconds later by random chance does not do anything in an hour long wash cycle.

Making part of the pod out of 3mil PVA and bonding it to another part made of 1mil PVA does not sound like unachievable technology to me. In fact, the first Google result for PVA films that I see sells them based on their various dissolution times.

You have done nothing to disprove the comment to which you replied.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by brewdad »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #217
arjie wrote: post #130

I love that there are people who will go into this much detail on stuff. It's really cool that they do. But the whole thing is that if you follow some sequence of steps, powder will clean as well as or better than pods for a third the cost. All right, this isn't a significant portion of my expenses so I'll pay the 3x cost since my dishes come out clean anyway. I wish the description of the video was like an abstract.

There's more to the video than just that. For example: you should run your hot water tap before turning on your dishwasher, and you should experiment with the dishwasher settings, because they can make a big difference.

I think one of his earlier videos suggested doing what I have always done. Load the dishwasher then do the hand washing. This ensures you have hot water ready to go since you’ve already been actively using it. When hand washing is done, run the dishwasher.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by tguvot »

Groxx wrote: post #234
tguvot wrote: post #216

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i am in usa. rented few times here. both in apartment complexes and houses. cheapest GE dishwasher that i found now - $349 heats water. of course, for video he could go and find some ancient dishwasher that doesn't heat water just to make a point (or maybe he has a broken one ? ), but i think it will be outlier today.

many (vast majority I've seen) have a heater, but won't heat the water sufficiently for the pre-wash cycle from cold. or, frequently, the second / wash cycle, unless you set it to a high temp mode, and even then it's questionable / often just a timer and not thermometer-based. check your user manual. huge numbers of them tell you to run your nearby tap until it's hot before starting a cycle because of this exact reas…

pre-wash cycle meant to remove chunks of food/scraps. not to wash. my dishwasher doesn't bother to heat water for it. but for main wash cycle it heats water. i don't think i ever used dishwasher (american, eu, asian or turkish brands. some of them in country where they are hooked up to cold water) that bothered to heat water for pre-wash cycle. i think it's a feature and not a bug.

my dishwasher manual doesn't say to run tap. in fact it says "The dishwasher can be connected to a hot water supply for further economies. If the water is heated by for example, solar panels, this would be energy efficient. However, if your water is heated by electricity we would recommend connection to cold water. "

i also went to american lg website and checked manual of cheapest dishwasher that they have. it doesn't instruct to run water either. it says that if water is not hot enough cycle will run longer.

anticipating comments that LG is not american enough, i went to GE and checked manual of cheapest (349) dishwasher. it doesn't instruct to run tap either. it does say just like LG that if water not hot enough, cycles that use hot water will take more time (because water needs to be heated)

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by foxglacier »

slackpad wrote: post #162
arjie wrote: post #130

I love that there are people who will go into this much detail on stuff. It's really cool that they do. But the whole thing is that if you follow some sequence of steps, powder will clean as well as or better than pods for a third the cost. All right, this isn't a significant portion of my expenses so I'll pay the 3x cost since my dishes come out clean anyway. I wish the description of the video was like an abstract.

It's interesting - YouTube does show AI summaries now - here's the one for this video: This video explores dishwasher detergent, focusing on a new powder formulation. The creator details the science behind effective dishwashing, including pre-wash cycles and water temperature. Independent testing results comparing the new powder to leading pods are revealed. I've noticed that they all seem to not give away too much s…

Videos are for fun. Nobody needs to know the conclusion in isolation. If you wanted a stream of boring facts, there could be a service for that, which nobody would use.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

bakje wrote: post #250
mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #217

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There's more to the video than just that. For example: you should run your hot water tap before turning on your dishwasher, and you should experiment with the dishwasher settings, because they can make a big difference.

Running the hot water tap beforehand assumes that the dishwasher is hooked up to the hot water in the first place, which isn’t common everywhere. Where I live this feature is called hot fill, I believe, and a lot of dishwashers don’t even support it. For those that do support its still generally not recommended to use it since the dishwasher now can’t do any rinsing with cold water, which is not only wasteful but I’v…

And lo, there is verily even more information presented in the video than this thread has yet revealed. For what Alec says in the video is that this purge-the-cold-water advice is specific to North America, and he even explains the reasons why!

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by brewdad »

dundercoder wrote: post #200
hammock wrote: post #137

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I wouldn’t use rinse aid. It’s not good for you - damages your gut and may contain dioxane byproducts. I also would avoid detergents with ethoxylated alcohols (AEs). What to look for is any powder or powder-filled pod with a) no AEs and b) does contain amylase and protease , two food-eating enzymes that are often omitted for who knows why. 365 Whole Foods brand pods are my go-to

We absolutely need rinse aid here, even with a water softener. But we make our own with ethanol and citric acid. For us works just as well as the pricey stuff and costs us…. A large bottom shelf bottle of vodka (sorry, don’t drink and don’t buy this enough to remember) and about $0.50 in citric acid will last me 6 months.

Yeah, I have very soft water. I tried using a liquid rinse aid when I switched from a name brand pod with a rinse aid to the cheap Kirkland pods. The rinse aid made things worse and I did end up with a residue on my glassware.

It’s cheap enough to try it and see if it helps but don’t feel obligated to use it if it doesn’t.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

bombcar wrote: post #195
redundantly wrote: post #158

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My kids would routinely put in too much powder, which would gunk up the dispensing mechanism, requiring my time and effort to clean it out and fix it. Eventually the dispenser broke entirely and had to be replaced. We since switched to pods and haven't had any problems with the dispenser. The pods are worth every extra cent.

I just want a dishwasher and washing machine that I can load with gallons of soap once a month or whatever, and let it do the detail work for me. I know they exist in the commercial realm, but I'm not 100% certain the wife is ready for a Hobart machine in the kitchen ...

https://www.mieleusa.com/c/powerdisk-automatic-dishwasher-de...

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by brewdad »

losvedir wrote: post #83
383toast wrote: post #2

summary: The creator argues that most dishwashers are designed to use a pre-wash dose and a main wash dose of detergent, a fundamental often ignored by single-dose pods, and presents independent ASTM testing confirming the new powder matches or exceeds the performance of a leading premium pod. The video also features a detailed demonstration using temperature logging and peanut butter to stress the importance of purg…

This has been his stance for a long time. He has a lot of dishwasher videos for some reason! One thing I can't get a good answer to is whether the "prewash" step is universally the case or not. I have a good Bosch dishwasher and there's no compartment for a bit of pre-wash detergent. I don't even know if my dishwasher cycle has a pre-wash step. I would assume the dishwasher manufacturer knows what's best. The owner's…

I keep my Bosch set to Auto and Extra Dry and use Kirkland pods. Rarely do I have anything that comes out less than perfect.

The Extra Dry setting seems to help with getting the glass and ceramics dryer. Plastics still come out quite wet since it uses a hotter final rinse rather than a heating element to get dishes “dryer”.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by bakje »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #256
bakje wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Running the hot water tap beforehand assumes that the dishwasher is hooked up to the hot water in the first place, which isn’t common everywhere. Where I live this feature is called hot fill, I believe, and a lot of dishwashers don’t even support it. For those that do support its still generally not recommended to use it since the dishwasher now can’t do any rinsing with cold water, which is not only wasteful but I’v…

And lo, there is verily even more information presented in the video than this thread has yet revealed. For what Alec says in the video is that this purge-the-cold-water advice is specific to North America, and he even explains the reasons why!

Haha I have to admit I didn’t watch the whole video.

In which case my comment still stands for those who also haven’t watched the whole video, which is probably a fair amount of people

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