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Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my children to invest

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Re: Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my children to invest

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> Your money has to go somewhere or it will rot to inflation. Inflation is mainly created by this act of "putting your money somewhere". For most people, this "somewhere" means loans. Money is being loaned out to people, spent, deposited back into the bank, and loaned out again, on and on it goes until $1,000 turns into $100,000 in circulation, not a cent of it real until all loans are paid back.

You are very confidently incorrect. So incorrect, it is hard to even start correcting you. * Inflation is not caused by "putting your money somewhere" What on earth. * At a high level, inflation is caused by either "too much money chasing too few goods" and/or the cost of producing the goods rising. Money supply can increase without causing inflation if the supply of goods can also increase. In short, the supply of m…

> In short, the supply of money can increase without causing inflation if productivity rises to match it.

You're actually agreeing with me. Money supply must be backed up by real wealth and production.

That's not how things work in current times. We have nearly zero interest rates, and currencies are backed up by literally nothing.

> Most people do not "put money" in loans what are you even talking about there?

Fractional reserve banking. Banks loan out the cash you deposit. They "efficiently allocate" the money in their custody.

> Inflation is not caused by "putting your money somewhere" What on earth.

It absolutely is. Banks can easily turn thousands of dollars into hundreds of thousands of dollars by repeatedly loaning out the exact same dollars numerous times.

It's some kind of society wide financial call stack. Too many defaults and everything starts unwinding.

> Bank loans do not automatically increase the supply of money.

Obviously they do.

Imagine you deposit $100 at your bank. It takes your $100 and loans out $90 of it to someone else. There are now $190 dollars in circulation.

Whoever took the loan goes off and spends it. Eventually it gets deposited back into a bank. Then the bank loans out $81 out of that $90. There are now $271 dollars in circulation.

And it keeps going.

You can inflate bitcoin via this algorithm.

> When a loan is taken out, it is (mostly) deposited to another bank

Irrelevant. Banks form interconnected systems. They all settle debts and accounts with each other.

> Increasing the supply of money requires the federal reserve to take steps.

The physical supply of money is irrelevant. It contributes only a small fraction of the circulating money supply. Money is numbers in bank databases now. They could run the money printers 24/7 and they'd never even come close to catching up to the inflation caused by banks.

Re: Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my children to invest

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The number one thing people fail to truly take advantage of is the triple tax advantage of HSA accounts. So powerful.

Even better is that you can save medical receipts throughout your life and withdraw all that money for any purpose in the future without paying income tax on it.

Re: Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my children to invest

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The reasonable interpretation of such a project is not to pump the stock market even higher by getting children to invest their savings into it, but to inculcate the habits of investing over time so they can do it properly as adults. I'm sure Mr. Rothschild would be fine with this learning tool.

The Rothschild bloodline is responsible for helping to orchestrate every modern war since the Napoleonic Wars, by loaning money to both sides of the conflict. Major General Smedley D. Butler wrote about this in War is a Racket. I personally, don't give a damn what Mr. Rothschild would be fine with, or the rest of his disgusting family.

Standard antisemitic trope

Re: Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my children to invest

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great!, mobile app?

It’s just a static hosted page they run on the family iPad. There’s no server at all! I should really clean it up and make a blog post about it. But wanted to share it here because this project reminded me of it :)

You should make it an app, I would pay for it

Re: Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my children to invest

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You say that now but as a young person with a decent income and no family or many responsibilities it's hard to even know where to start. And I'm not even talking about what to invest in, I'm already confused at which platform/bank/whatever to do it through. The "meta", if you will. I just want to invest the 70% of my salary I don't need every month and not think about it for 40 years but how? Maybe an important deta…

Don't know about Switzerland, but most US brokers offer some kind of "target retirement date" fund, which automatically shifts from higher-risk assets to lower-risk as you approach retirement. VFIFX is one from Vanguard, for example. Pick one you like (just ask a coworker what they use, if you pick a big-name brokerage it really doesn't matter which one), shove your extra cash into it regularly, and forget about it.…

> If you start to get into truly high wealth amounts (USD$500K+) you might consider hiring a wealth advisor

That's not nearly high enough for a "wealth advisor". Maybe a fee-only financial planner, but even then it's borderline.

Re: Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my children to invest

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Your comments make me think you've never seen hardships in your life that weren't self-afflicted. Life can be cruel even if you've made great plans and took all the precautions you could think of. Illnesses, accidents, the lack of a social net because your country was set up that way, crime, the list goes on.

Illnesses and accidents are exactly the things you need savings for, and aren't really relevant here because they don't prevent you from saving until and after they happen. The issue appears to be that 50% of Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck and have no savings? I can't imagine how this could be anything other than them just spending money on shit they don't need. And yes, I am assuming you live in a developed cou…

> The issue appears to be that 50% of Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck and have no savings? I can't imagine how this could be anything other than them just spending money on shit they don't need.

Or that there's no standard minimum wage, or income protection if something does go wrong. Student debt is crippling to people in itself never mind hospital events.

That's so many people you should think "something must be wrong with the system"

> Illnesses and accidents are exactly the things you need savings for

It shouldn't be though, if you pay taxes, the government should be there for you in an emergency when it comes to health.

Re: Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my children to invest

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My understanding is that, if the market generally continues on the rate of return it's averaged throughout its history (that is, if you're not a doomer), then the single most important thing is showing up to play. People who try to time the market or wait for a perfect time or pick the exact right blend of stocks, on average, don't do as well as people who pick a boring index or mutual fund and forget about it for 40…

> People who try to time the market If you have doubts about the long-term __existence__ of the market, then investing in the first place necessitates "timing the market" since you'll need to determine when to sell before the panic sell-off which inevitably comes before the global minimum is reached. Mind you, I'm not talking about figuring out whether or not to "hodl" through local minima. I'm talking about rolling…

If it goes up in smoke, you personally can't ever buy enough ammunition to matter. Who's gonna man all those guns?

Re: Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my children to invest

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Not sure how it's like over in EU, but in Canada, at this point, I assume all fin tech startups are scam. Neo financial and wealth simple are definitely fucking scam. Major banks may suck but at least you get what you pay for.

Curious about your opinions on WealthSimple, if you can share. I got introduced to them when they bought out SimpleTax, and so far they've been pretty reasonable for investments.

They require a paid subscription to use USD. They claim to have customer support, but the button isn't actually working, it does nothing. At least they respond by email. That's all I found so far, but I haven't actually made any trades yet.
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