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ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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There is no scientific proof that fingerprints are unique, either. Like a lot of forensic science, it's just accepted wisdom.

I think the scientific consensus is that they are NOT unique. I seem to recall there’s something like a one in five million chance of collision. (Recalling from memory so please verify, I recall thinking that in a large city there’s likely to be another person who’s fingerprints could be mistaken for yours)

IIRC, someone was accused and arrested for murder who lived across the country and couldn't have possibly committed the crime based on fingerprint match.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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The irony of doing this while covering their own faces

That's about as ironic as carrying a gun while wearing a bulletproof vest. If the tech exists and works it changes both defense and offense.

That latter part isn't ironic at all... just because you carry a gun, doesn't mean you aren't going to be shot at.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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What's ironic about it? That's like saying it's ironic for soldiers to fire their guns while in a trench. They're doing things unto others that they would not have done unto them.

> That's like saying it's ironic for soldiers to fire their guns while in a trench. ICE using military tactics (be it trenches or masks) is the real problem here. ICE aren't soldiers, they're a part of law enforcement. Unfortunately in the U.S. today we not only do use troops for law enforcement, but we're using law enforcement as troops. Neither is the correct role for those services.

Fortunately, the National Guard members have better training than most law enforcement on how to properly interact with civilians (the public).

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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When are citizens’ fingerprints normally put on file, in the US? Or, for that matter, noncitizens who entered irregularly?

When you get a driver's license, for one.

I don't recall getting fingerprinted when I got my Driver's license or renewed, or even when I had to switch to a national id version for travel.

I did get fingerprint registration while considering adoption with my ex-wife as part of the background check.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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I'm not sure what documents you think entail getting a REAL ID but they are typically proof of permanent residence, such as US passport, birth certificate, or green card. Its requirements are actually stricter than what entails getting a passport, because you also have to prove you actually live in the state you're applying in. As for the rest of your post, I don't really know what you're babbling about has to do wit…

I checked the State of California website for REAL ID eligibility before I wrote my above comment, and it confirms that people with temporary legal immigration status are eligible for REAL ID cards, specifically mentioning DACA recipients as an example of a category of people who are eligible. This is exactly the sort of thing I think should not be allowed by the federal framework governing REAL IDs, non-permanent re…

You're effectively saying non-permanent residents should be prohibited from using commercial flight to move around the giant country that is the US. I'm not sure if that's your intention.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Very likely an array of hackers, soon.

I assume the agents are using their own phones. One of their phones is going to be left in a bar and end up on eBay at some point and then the APK can be extracted at least.

It should be an assigned/signed device with biometric and passcode access configured... At least it was in a couple proposals I helped define for credentialing emergency responders... though the contract definitely went with a different supplier than the one I was working with.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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The absolutely outrageous thing is that apparently they are instructed to ignore all other evidence of citizenship if that app says someone is not a citizen. So even if you have your birth certificate ready, doesn't matter. This is completely lawless. From the article: > He also said “ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and…

Lots of lawsuits forthcoming. Who’s going to pay for them? We are.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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There's a similar quote that also fits: > If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.

Another alternative, that any poltical side can use, is to attempt to change the composition of the electorate that votes in the democracy.

With, like, education and nutrition programs?
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