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Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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That's the dev not the project. Quickly looking over Omarchy I see nothing aligned with the political right. Could you link it to me?

The developer is the project.

Of course not, a project is removed from the person. Especially in open source.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Your claim was that they explicitly support fascism. That doesn't seem to be the case at all. What you seem to mean instead is: They financially support a popular open source project called Omarchy, which is built by DHH, and you believe DHH to be a fascist. You're welcome to your opinion, and I have zero insight into whether DHH is a fascist or not, but by no means is that explicit support for fascism ! It's not jus…

I didn't say they explicitly support fascism. I said they are explicitly political, and they are pro-fascism.

Ok, sorry I misread what you wrote. The question stands though

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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All the Lenvo laptops I've bought for personal use and the HPs my work gets have fully functional sleep under windows. The Lenovos also sleeps just fine under Linux. Wonder if its really specific brands that don't put the effort into their HW or drivers support for sleep?

My Lenovo would just randomly kill its battery even when it was supposed to be full suspend-to-disk - under Windows. Setting the BIOS option to "Linux-compatible sleep mode" fixed this, but it took me FOREVER to figure this out and I'm reasonably certain I first heard about this fix in a comment here. Not a bit of a problem since.

The existence of a BIOS option called "Linux-compatible sleep mode" is a dead giveaway that the default behavior is enshittified sleep that wakes up your system periodically so it can check your email, phone home to Microsoft, and maybe fail to go back to sleep.

Having such an obvious name like that is a gift, because otherwise you have to start decoding Intel Marketing names for their features to figure out which are actually anti-features.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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The developer is the project.

Of course not, a project is removed from the person. Especially in open source.

I respect your opinion, but I disagree. It's not like DHH is just some contributor, he's the public face of the project and the person who stands to benefit from its success.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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And that is not a transitive property which then means Framework supports fascism. The US buys from China, does that mean we support communism?

International trade is extremely complex, funding and publicizing a project is not. Framework supports DHH, both financially and in terms of publicity. That's not something I wanna support.

The mental gymnastics and contortions you are putting yourself through are quite stunning. You're finding associations that do not exist. I feel I'm staring at a wall strewn with thumb-tacked red yarn, linking all sorts of nonsense together while the creator steps back and exclaims "see, proof!".

Framework makes hardware and software. If you're going to close yourself off to any product or organization that happens to have some users you disagree with - then you're not going to get very far in this world. This is a wild, and frankly unhealthy perspective to hold.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro. It's getting a bit old, so it would be nice to replace it with a new MacBook Pro in not too long. But honestly, losing Linux support would be pretty devastating. Docker and virtualization just isn't the same. There's lots of interesting stuff you can do with your hardware in Linux, there's for example Linux-specific software which puts the WiFi card in promiscuous mode and do…

Can you tell me more about promiscuous mode in Asahi? I'm not able to find much reliable stuff when I search. Is they possible with the built in WiFi chipsets?

Promiscuous mode is just when the WiFi chipset picks up all the WiFi packet it sees. In the normal mode, the chipset will drop everything that's meant for a different MAC address. The ability to switch to promiscuous mode is very common, and Linux exposes generic APIs to switch an interface to promiscuous mode if the driver supports it.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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On macOS you can use OrbStack [1] for a much better experience working with Docker on Mac, as well as quickly spinning up headless Linux VMs (WSL on Mac kind of thing). The free tier will probably be rug-pulled someday, but I've been using it for a couple of years and it makes my life a lot easier when I'm on macOS. [1]: https://orbstack.dev/

All of these things are running Linux under virtualization and faking it to the Mac user and they naturally have all the same limitations as running a VM. They are effectively like WSL. P.S. I believe that specific company did some level of rug-pull early on already and started charging people who already relied on it for free because they left Docker which started charging earlier, so I would be vary of relying on t…

> They are effectively like WSL.

You mean WSL2. WSL1 was more like Wine than a VM. I am still sour they did away with that approach, I thought it was the coolest thing.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Macs allow the device owner to install an OS that isn't signed at all, without having it degrade the security of the system when you do boot into MacOS.

Fine, but can it be disabled? If secure boot is interfering with another function of the computer, the owner might decide they prefer hibernation over secure boot.

I think what you're missing is that "secure boot" isn't a system-wide on/off thing on a Mac, it's a per-OS thing. And UEFI Secure Boot specifically is something that only exists on a Mac to the extent that Asahi shoehorns it into a system that doesn't natively do anything UEFI-related. It would be very surprising if Asahi Linux didn't still provide a way to skip their UEFI Secure Boot code paths and just plain boot.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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post #175

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International trade is extremely complex, funding and publicizing a project is not. Framework supports DHH, both financially and in terms of publicity. That's not something I wanna support.

The mental gymnastics and contortions you are putting yourself through are quite stunning. You're finding associations that do not exist. I feel I'm staring at a wall strewn with thumb-tacked red yarn, linking all sorts of nonsense together while the creator steps back and exclaims "see, proof!". Framework makes hardware and software. If you're going to close yourself off to any product or organization that happens t…

Please explain which associations I'm finding which do not exist.

> If you're going to close yourself off to any product or organization that happens to have some users you disagree with

I do not see where I mentioned Framework users. I care about the actions of the company. I care that they decide to support DHH, financially and through promoting his projects, and I care that they double down on their support in the face of push-back.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro. It's getting a bit old, so it would be nice to replace it with a new MacBook Pro in not too long. But honestly, losing Linux support would be pretty devastating. Docker and virtualization just isn't the same. There's lots of interesting stuff you can do with your hardware in Linux, there's for example Linux-specific software which puts the WiFi card in promiscuous mode and do…

My daily driver is a 2014 Thinkpad. The only mod compared to stock is that I maxed out the ram. It's been an absolutely amazing machine, especially given that it cost all of $200 second hand (W540). I find it really hard justifying buying hardware that doesn't allow me to do anything that I couldn't do before. Up to 2003 or so I was always chasing the latest and the greatest but now I find that I can do everything I…

I got a new laptop recently and while I didnt need more speed or memory, the fact that it uses less than half the energy as my previous laptop (and correspondingly lasts more than twice as long on battery) is extremely nice.

As an aside - I was under the impression x86 chips were still way behind Apple in battery life, but this doesnt seem to be the case. My new computer has a generation or two old Intel CPU (Meteor Lake) and I am getting 12+ hours out of a ~50Wh battery.

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