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Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by anigbrowl »

wartywhoa23 wrote: post #227
MiiMe19 wrote: post #77

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I might be missing something but I don' think this article isn't about palantir or any of their products

Palantir is but one head of the hydra which has hundreds of them, and all concerns about a single one apply to the whole beast hundredfold.

It's still not helpful to wander into threads to talk about your favorite topic without making effort to provide some context on why your comments are relevant. When random crazy people come up to you spouting their theories in public places, the problem is not that their concerns are necessarily incoherent or invalid; the problem is that they broadcasting their thoughts randomly with no context, and their audience has no way of telling whether they just need to verbalize what's bothering them or have mistaken a passer-by for one of the villains in their psychodrama.

tl;dr if you want to make a broad point, make the effort to put it in context so people can appreciate it properly.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by xp84 »

proee wrote: post #7

Walking through TSA scanners, I always get that unnerving feeling I will get pulled aside. 50% of the time they flag my cargo pants because of the zipper pockets - There is nothing in them but the scanner doesn't like them. Now we get the privilege of walking by AI security cameras placed in random locations, hoping they don't flag us. There's a ton of money to be made with this kind of global frisking, so lots of pr…

Get Precheck or global entry. I only do a scanner every 5 years or so when I get pulled at random for it. Otherwise it's metal detector only. Unless your zippers have such chunky metal that they set that off you'll be fine. My belt and watch don't.

Note: Precheck is incredibly quick and easy to get; and GE is time consuming and annoying, but has its benefits if you travel internationallly. Both give the same benefits at TSA.

Second note: let's pretend someone replied "I shouldn't have to do that just to be treated...blah blah" and that I replied, "maybe not, but a few bucks could still solve this problem, if it bothers you enough that's worth it to you."

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by akoboldfrying »

neuralRiot wrote: post #167
akoboldfrying wrote: post #125

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> Make them pay money for false positives instead of direct support and counselling. Agreed. > This technology is not ready for production No one wants stuff like this to happen, but nearly all technologies have risks. I don't consider that a single false positive outweighs all of its benefits; it would depend on the rates of false and true positives, and the (subjective) value of each (both high in this case, though…

I think I’ve said this too many times already but the core problem here and with the “AI craze” is that nobody realy wants to solve problems, what they want is a marketable product and AI seems to be the magic wrench that fits in all the nuts and since most of the people doesn’t really knows how it works and what are its limitations the happily buy the “magic dust”.

> nobody realy wants to solve problems, what they want is a marketable product

I agree, but this isn't specific to AI -- it's what makes capitalism work to the extent that it does. Nobody wants to clean a toilet or harvest wheat or do most things that society needs someone to do, they want to get paid.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by coryrc »

scrps wrote: post #204
SoftTalker wrote: post #188

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Do the cops not ever get tired of being fooled like this? Or do they just enjoy the chance to go out in their army-surplus armored cars and pretend to be special forces?

I had convos with cops about swatting, the good ones aren't happy to go kick down someone's door who isn't about to harm someone but feel they can't chance making a fatally wrong call when it isn't swatting, also they have procedures to follow and if they don't the outcome is on them personally and potentially legally. As for bad cops they look for any reason to go act like aggro billy badasses.

> the good ones ...

uh-huh

> if they don't the outcome is on them personally and potentially legally.

Bullshit, they're rarely held accountable when they straight up murder people, and even then "accountable" is "have to go get a different job". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_John_T._Williams

ACAB

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by anigbrowl »

palmotea wrote: post #57
tencentshill wrote: post #2

"rapid human verification." at gunpoint. The Torment Nexus has nothing on these AI startups.

Why did they waste time verifying? The police should have eliminated the threat before any harm could be done. Seconds count when you're keeping people safe.

I get that you're being sarcastic and find the police response appalling, but the sad reality of Poe's Law is that there are a lot of people who would unironically say this and would have cheered if the cops had shot this kid, either because they hate black people or because they get off on violence and police shootings are a social sanctioned way to indulge that taste.

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Post by surgical_fire »

forgetfulness wrote: post #130
surgical_fire wrote: post #107

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> there are more girls with colored hair than ever before The ones I see don't tend to lean cute.

Well the "hackers" jacking in to the "Hacker News" discussion board, where we talk about the oppression brought in by the corrupt AI-peddling corporations employed by the even more corrupt government, probably aren't all looking like Zero Cool, Snake Plissken, Officer K, or the like, though a bunch may be.

Good point. Gets my upvote for mentioning Snake Plissken. Escape from LA is such a masterpiece.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by pixelready »

Lammy wrote: post #226
nkrisc wrote: post #181

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In this case false positives are far, far worse than false negatives. A false negative in this system does not mean a tragedy will occur, because there are many other preventative measures in place. And never mind the fact that this country refuses to even address the primary cause of gun violence in the first place: the ubiquity of guns in our society. So systems like this is what we end up with when we ignore to ad…

> the primary cause of gun violence in the first place: the ubiquity of guns in our society I would have gone with “a normalized sense of hopelessness and indignity which causes people to feel like violence is the only way they can have any agency in life” considering “gun” is the adjective and “violence” is the actual thing you're talking about.

Both are true. The underlying oppressive, lonely, pro-bullying culture creates the tension. The proliferation of high lethality weapons makes it more likely that tension will eventually release in the form of a mass tragedy.

Improvement in either area would be a net positive for society. Improvement in both areas is ideal but solving proliferation seems a lot more straightforward than fixing the generally miserable society problem.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by coryrc »

qwertytyyuu wrote: post #233
010101010101 wrote: post #218

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Why stop at one? Imagine how much safer we’d be with TWO cops per citizen! And all those extra jobs that would be created!

And then cops for the cops!

I don't think you know how policing works in America. To cops, there are sheep, sheepdogs, and wolves; they are sheepdogs protecting us sheep from the criminals. Nobody needs to watch the sheepdogs!

But lets think about their analogy a little more: sheepdogs and wolves are both canines. Hmm.

Also "funny" how quickly they can reclassify any person as a "wolf", like this student. Hmm.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by coryrc »

krapp wrote: post #205
bilbo0s wrote: post #100

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>And some teen may be traumatized. Um. That's not really the danger here. The danger is that it's as clear as day that in the future someone is gonna be killed. That's not just a possibility. It's a certainty given the way the system is set up. This tech is not supposed to be used in this fashion. It's not ready.

Americans are killed by police all the time, and by other Americans. We've already decided as a society that we don't care enough to take the problem seriously. Gun violence, both public and from the state, is accepted as unavoidable and defended as a necessary price to pay to live in a free society[0]. Having a computer call the shots wouldn't actually make much of a difference. Hell, it wouldn't even move the needl…

Far more deaths by automobile than homicides by guns.
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