Doesn't matter, cops will raid a home on no more info than intuition.
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#252Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This used to be called "equality under the law" and laws that could not be written equally or enforced equally were not written or overturned by the courts. The US in particular had discrimination encoded in law for a long time. It took Rosa Parks in 1955 to end "white only" areas in public transport, and it took until 1965 until racial discrimination by law was finally outlawed. "Equality under the law" always dep…
Don't forget women. They couldn't open bank accounts until when? In any case, I should have known better than to leave open the door to race baiting. Focusing on race or any other distinction among the peasants is categorically missing the point. This isn't about peasants vs peasants. It's about peasants and small groups of peasants vs big moneyed interests. Some small time tire shop gets fined into oblivion for lett…
> If one person or a small group can't do a thing then a big group shouldn't either. And if a big group can do a thing then the small group. If it's ok for ICE to just stop brown people then it's ok for NYPD to do stop and frisk. And if that's not ok then adjust the law.
For what it's worth I fully agree with you!
The thing is, this just isn't achievable with modern politics. The big guns will always lobby for them to be exempted in some way, and even if only by funding the enforcement agencies only so limited that they have no way of enforcing the law againt the big fish.
And on top of that you got Conservatives (or whatever tries to sell themselves under that label these days) and Wilhoit's (misattributed) law [1]:
> Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
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#253My first thought : Orwell's 1984 Telescreen is happening.
In 1984 I can't remember if they prostrated themselves so fully, purchasing the screens that would spy on them, and did it all come about because they were sucking on the tit of "free" shipping that costs $139/year?
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#254This is the logical conclusion to the state of irrational fear that Americans perpetually live in, that causes them to feel they need 24/7 surveillance of their homes, no matter the consequences.
It’s about control, not fear.
Nobody is consenting to it out of fear.
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#255Some serious boycotts need to be happening, and soon. I do not care if this was an R or a D administration, this has been out of control and just getting worse.
This is us against the oligarchs, not us against each other. And something makes me worried that there is an impending recession/depression and that these surveillance devices will be use to quell any dissent. (I say this because of the insane rise in the price of gold)
I, for one, am canceling my Amazon Prime account and avoiding amazon as much as I can in this dystopia where it is the only place you can buy many goods anymore.
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#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
> When you take this info and combine it with the ability of Wifi7 routers to "see" where people are in their house, WiFi routers can’t tell you where people are in the house. The routers don’t even know their own location within the house. All of those papers you see on the topic have extensive additional information being put into their models. The routers don’t magically know the layout of your house. At most, a W…
Not just social media postings but past real estate listings can probably provide floor plans. And if you don't have those, a lot of buildings have common patterns. Its very much in the realm of possibility to train a model using exterior and interior information so that you could have AI generate a floor plan using only exterior data. Combine that with a small drone that could fly around a building and take differen…
>Combine that with a small drone that could fly around a building and take different wifi signal readings to triangulate access point positions.
That seems like all you'd need anyway, skip the rest of this. Small autonomous drones with simultaneous location and mapping capability will absolutely revolutionize warfare (and firefighting, but I digress) whenever they stop being sci-fi.
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#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
> When you take this info and combine it with the ability of Wifi7 routers to "see" where people are in their house, WiFi routers can’t tell you where people are in the house. The routers don’t even know their own location within the house. All of those papers you see on the topic have extensive additional information being put into their models. The routers don’t magically know the layout of your house. At most, a W…
Not just social media postings but past real estate listings can probably provide floor plans. And if you don't have those, a lot of buildings have common patterns. Its very much in the realm of possibility to train a model using exterior and interior information so that you could have AI generate a floor plan using only exterior data. Combine that with a small drone that could fly around a building and take differen…
> Not just social media postings but past real estate listings can probably provide floor plans.
I regret even engaging with the floor plan debate.
It doesn’t matter if they have a floor plan. That’s not enough information to characterize the RF environment of a house and how it responds to people moving through it.
A floor plan won’t tell you the position of all the WiFi devices, obstructions, and how the environment responds to moving those around. It won’t even tell you where the router is with any precision or if it’s next to a big chunk of metal like a computer case that’s blocking half the house and causing reflections.
It’s a red herring.
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#258This is the logical conclusion to the state of irrational fear that Americans perpetually live in, that causes them to feel they need 24/7 surveillance of their homes, no matter the consequences.
"Land of the free". I struggle to reconcile.
A line from George Carlin comes to mind...
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So, in this situation when a large company cooperates with intrusive policing, you think the problem is that the company is too large and that enforcement of laws should have taken place? To prevent this collaboration with law enforcement?
It's a much bigger problem when a company with >50% market share connects all the cameras to law enforcement than if a company with 0.5% market share does that, but the first one can't happen if there are no companies with a double digit market share. And when there are more companies it's easier to tell people to buy a different one because that one is doing something shady. When Amazon does it, you recommend that u…
I recommend that people don't install networked cameras unless they build a dedicated air-gapped network for them. If you want to know who is at your door ... look out a window.
Unpopular take, I know, because it demands that people actually understand the technology they're using and where their data flows, and almost nobody has the skill, time, attention, money, and mindspace for that... but that's the only way to be a responsible networked camera user.
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I hate that all our favorite sci-fi books were used as manuals for what to build next, instead of trying to avoid creating those futures in our real lives.
Many people (including in this website) are hard at work creating the torment nexus.
When one is fascinated with building a gear, they might not see the machine they are creating.
AI/Surveillance are only gears in the machine.