Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot • Hacker News Board

Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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Post by dylan604 » Thu, Oct 09, 2025, 10:22 PM UTC

ChadNauseam wrote: post #249

dylan604 wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm exaggerating? I provided receipts. If you have an exaggeration issue, it's not with me, and you'd do well to improve your aim

What you said is an exaggeration of the information you linked.

In what way? The first graph of the article says what happened. Later, it says that the images were taken by people participating in a beta test. It also says they felt misled.

Regardless, if an employee posted images acquired from customers, testing users, or anyone else to their personal social media platform of choice, they are still assholes. And the company that allowed for that to happen is an asshole as well.

Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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Post by jayd16 » Thu, Oct 09, 2025, 10:25 PM UTC

ori_b wrote: post #226

I don't get it. Humanoids are a really crappy shape for a lot of tasks, and the only benefit seems to be the ability to pay people to walk around in motion capture suits for training.

Yeah but they're a crappy shape for A LOT of tasks. It's not ideal but it's a versatile solution.

Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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Post by jamilton » Thu, Oct 09, 2025, 10:33 PM UTC

crnkofe wrote: post #228

Even if its just a demo its really slick. Tech has come a long way. Can't say I want to talk to a droid to check-in at a hotel or bump into one at home all the time but I'm sure there are some obvious civilian use cases around.

It's cool, but it's total uncanny valley for me, and I haven't gotten that from real robots before. Something about the movement in particular is odd.

Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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Post by brailsafe » Thu, Oct 09, 2025, 10:33 PM UTC

robots0only wrote: post #100

HAL3000 wrote: post #78

All of the examples in videos are cherry picked. Go ask anyone working on humanoid robots today, almost everything you see here, if repeated 10 times, will enter failure mode because the happy path is so narrow. There should really be benchmarks where you invite robots from different companies, ask them beforehand about their capabilities, and then create an environment that is within those capabilities but was not u…

+100!!! Please don't fall for the HYPE. The current best neural networks only have around 60% success rates for small horizon tasks (think 10-20 seconds e.g. pick up apple). That is why there is so much cut-motions in this video. The future will be awesome but it will take time a lot of research still needs to happen (e.g. robust hands, tactile, how to even collect large scale data, RL).

> The future will be awesome

Perhaps this is a bit pedantic, but what about the probable eventual proliferation of useful humanoid robots will make the future awesome? What does an awesome future look like compared to today, to you?

Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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Post by jamilton » Thu, Oct 09, 2025, 10:36 PM UTC

proee wrote: post #65

websiteapi wrote: post #20

I don't understand why this even has to charge at all. It makes sense for multiple reasons to give it 3 batteries that say have 1/3 of the capacity, and make at least 1, if not 2 or 3 capable of charging independently on a station. Then the robot would just go to its station and swap its own batteries. Why even have wireless charging at all? Or even a cable? Or even have it "charge"? Battery swapping seems to make wa…

It depends on the battery life. If the robot lasts all day, then charging at night via standing on a charging pad makes a lot of sense. Creating a removable battery pack adds extra weight and gives the designers less freedom to place the battery pack exactly where it needs to be in the robot frame, or distribute the cells across the frame in strategic locations. Also, the charge rate matters. If robot can charge to 8…

https://www.figure.ai/figure says 5 hour battery life. No mention of charge rate.

Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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Post by kibwen » Thu, Oct 09, 2025, 10:41 PM UTC

ACCount37 wrote: post #230

kibwen wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For LLMs, the input is text, and the output is text. By the time of GPT-2, the internet contained enough training data to make training an interesting LLM feasible (as judged by its ability to output convincing text). We are nowhere near the same for autonomous robots, and it's not even funny. To continue to use the internet as an analogy for LLMs, we are pre-DARPANET, pre-ASCII, pre-transistor. We don't even have th…

Robotics has a big training data problem. But your "we don't have the sensors" claim is absolutely laughable. It was never about the sensors. It was always about AI.

No, it doesn't matter if you have a hypergenius superintelligence if it's locked in a body with no hardware support for useful proprioception. You will not go to space today.

Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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Post by kibwen » Thu, Oct 09, 2025, 10:43 PM UTC

blackoil wrote: post #151

kibwen wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For LLMs, the input is text, and the output is text. By the time of GPT-2, the internet contained enough training data to make training an interesting LLM feasible (as judged by its ability to output convincing text). We are nowhere near the same for autonomous robots, and it's not even funny. To continue to use the internet as an analogy for LLMs, we are pre-DARPANET, pre-ASCII, pre-transistor. We don't even have th…

McD must be selling millions of burgers every day and cameras are cheap and omnipresent, so should not be difficult to get videos for single type of tasks.

There is no reason to employ humanoid robots in industrial environments when it will always be easier and cheaper to adapt the environment to a specialized non-humanoid robot than to adapt robots into humanoid shape. This is true for the same reason that no LLM is ever going to beat Stockfish at chess.

Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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Post by kibwen » Thu, Oct 09, 2025, 10:44 PM UTC

bmau5 wrote: post #192

kibwen wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For LLMs, the input is text, and the output is text. By the time of GPT-2, the internet contained enough training data to make training an interesting LLM feasible (as judged by its ability to output convincing text). We are nowhere near the same for autonomous robots, and it's not even funny. To continue to use the internet as an analogy for LLMs, we are pre-DARPANET, pre-ASCII, pre-transistor. We don't even have th…

Does your estimate account for advancements in virtual simulation models that has simultaneously been happening? From people I speak to in the space (which I am very much not in) - they had mentioned these advancements have dramatically improved the rate of training and learning - though they also advised we're some ways off from showtime.

As Tesla could tell you with their failure to deliver self-driving cars, it doesn't matter if you have exabytes of training data if it's all the wrong kind of data and if your hardware platform is insufficiently capable.

Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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Post by aowie » Thu, Oct 09, 2025, 10:45 PM UTC

HAL3000 wrote: post #78

All of the examples in videos are cherry picked. Go ask anyone working on humanoid robots today, almost everything you see here, if repeated 10 times, will enter failure mode because the happy path is so narrow. There should really be benchmarks where you invite robots from different companies, ask them beforehand about their capabilities, and then create an environment that is within those capabilities but was not u…

Oh wow, a robot that can play with my dog so I don't have to. That's exactly the kind of task I'd be relieved to automate.

The fabric wrap is idiotic. Insanely stupid. Let's have an expensive fabric-covered robot wash dishes covered in food. Genius. It's a good thing those "dirty dishes" were already perfectly clean. I doubt this machine could handle anything more. Put it in a real commercial kitchen and have it scrape oven pans and I'll be impressed.

I'm so glad I left robotics. I don't want to have anything to do with this very silly bubble.

Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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Post by xnyan » Thu, Oct 09, 2025, 10:45 PM UTC

sheepybloke wrote: post #148

HAL3000 wrote: post #78

All of the examples in videos are cherry picked. Go ask anyone working on humanoid robots today, almost everything you see here, if repeated 10 times, will enter failure mode because the happy path is so narrow. There should really be benchmarks where you invite robots from different companies, ask them beforehand about their capabilities, and then create an environment that is within those capabilities but was not u…

It was interesting to see that they didn't show the robot folding laundry; rather, just it laying out the clothes.

There’s a scene about 2/3 through the first video where they show a brief clip of the robot folding and stacking a shirt. The quality and speed was roughly comparable to a 7-10 year old - slow and somewhat sloppy, but recognizably a folded shirt.