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Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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It feels like Intel and AMD are asleep at the wheel with their mobile lineup. I've been looking at non-apple equivalents that have similar performance/power as the M lineup and it seems they all lag about 20%+. For $800 the M4 Air just seems like one of the best tech deals around.

The reduced horsepower relative to M-series isn't a problem for me as much as efficiency is. Both Intel and AMD seem to struggle with building a CPU that doesn't guzzle battery without also seriously restricting performance. This really sucks. The nice thing about high end (Mx Pro/Max) MBPs is that if you need desktop-like power, it's there, but they can also do a pretty good job pretending to be MacBook Airs and str…

This is just my perspective, but it seems that whatever is leading them to do so, the focus on supporting the Windows environment is extremely hamstringing. Apple effectively controls the whole hardware and software stack of any given device, AMD/Intel don't even really control the main board, let alone efficiencies between all the compatibilities.

No wonder the Ferrari of computers if more efficient and effective than hobbled together junk yard monstrosity... ok, I'll be more generous... the Chrysler of computers.

I don't want to suggest that Apple is ideal with its soldered constrictions, or that modularity should be done away with, but reality is that it seems to me that standards need to be tightened down A LOT if the PC market really wants to compete. I for one have no problem not dealing with all the hassle of non-Apple products because I can afford it. If Apple got its botoxed, manicured head out of their rear ends and started offering their products at competitive prices, they would likely totally dominate the majority of computing market, which would likely atrophy and effectively die out over time.

Let's hope that Apple remains pretentious and sturdy greedy so that at least we have choice and it gives the PC sector at least a chance to get their standards in order, maybe even funding a gold standard functional linux distro that could at least hold water to MacOS without drooling all over itself.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Sure for M1/M2 it's somewhat correct that it is "completed". M3 and beyond have a lot of GPU differences though(A completely new microcode afaik), so the loss is still traumatic. I also don't think GPU perf is on the level of OSX though I did not do a recent one to one bench.

Yes, and as I mentioned earlier, the new leadership team has decided to upstream the existing work before moving on to work on supporting newer chips.

yes you said that. That doesn't mean losing two very important team members who both have unique skillset just doesn't have any impact. You really can't just waive that away with "New leadership has decided to upstream the existing work before moving on to work on supporting newer chips". That Alyssa is no longer involved definitely is a huge loss for Asahi, I'm very surprised you can even attempt to deny this.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Damn impressive if true, but I’ll be honest, I still don’t feel the need to replace my M1 iPad Pro or my M1 Pro Macbook Pro. They’re both more than amazing for my use cases - though if Apple suddenly took gaming seriously, like extending Rosetta to act as a translation layer for Windows games a la Proton, I’d gladly throw down for an M5 Ultra when it’s released.

Yup. I've got an M1 Pro from work, and while I'm looking forward to hopefully getting an M5 in December, I really don't know if it will be a significant increase in my daily tasks or enjoyment. I do have an M4 Pro Mini that's a bit snappier, but it isn't night and day difference.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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It’s not out of nowhere. It’s just that people didn’t pay attention to their mobile chips. But Anandtech had articles as far back as the A12 7 years ago where it was competing with the intel chips of the era A secondhand link because anandtech is restructured now unfortunately https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/10/05/apples-a12-bionic...

> because anandtech is restructured now unfortunately …because he left to work on the chips.

The changes to the site are very recent, and they continued doing stellar reports after he left too.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Damn impressive if true, but I’ll be honest, I still don’t feel the need to replace my M1 iPad Pro or my M1 Pro Macbook Pro. They’re both more than amazing for my use cases - though if Apple suddenly took gaming seriously, like extending Rosetta to act as a translation layer for Windows games a la Proton, I’d gladly throw down for an M5 Ultra when it’s released.

> though if Apple suddenly took gaming seriously, like extending Rosetta to act as a translation layer for Windows games a la Proton, I’d gladly throw down for an M5 Ultra when it’s released No joke, if I could run my Steam library on my phone, I'd probably buy a new phone every year (and might need to, given what the thermals and rapid charge/discharge cycles would do to battery longevity). But Apple's current strat…

So this doesn't help for iOS, but through the power of WINE and other cool tools, you actually can: https://gamehub.xiaoji.com/

These are especially great on the various Android based gaming handhelds that are out now with Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 and similar SoC's in them, but it works on a phone too

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Since Apple actually makes a significant amount of money selling hardware itself, I really wonder why they actually wouldn't allow people to install Linux on it, with a full support. After all, it's not like this would jeopardize macOS/iPadOS AppStore earnings — Linux users would simply buy into Apple Hardware they haven't even considered before, and only a fraction of macOS/iPadOS users would switch to using Linux.

do they disallow it or just not provide active support? Active support requires paying for employees to keep it working. Ignoring it and having volunteers do it requires nothing.

I think the comment up one was about Linux on the iPad, which is mostly impossible. Well, iirc there are some projects to get, like, Alpine Linux running inside iOS, but it is emulated or something, and pretty slow, no gui, quite limited, etc etc.

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The real question for me is how much they target GPU support towards accelerating language and vision models in the Macbook Pro lineup. I don't know if Apple actually cares but they've got a huge opportunity to steal the spotlight from nVidia if they make inference competitive with nVidia chips.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Yes, and as I mentioned earlier, the new leadership team has decided to upstream the existing work before moving on to work on supporting newer chips.

yes you said that. That doesn't mean losing two very important team members who both have unique skillset just doesn't have any impact. You really can't just waive that away with "New leadership has decided to upstream the existing work before moving on to work on supporting newer chips". That Alyssa is no longer involved definitely is a huge loss for Asahi, I'm very surprised you can even attempt to deny this.

> That Alyssa is no longer involved definitely is a huge loss for Asahi

Are you under the impression that Linux is about to abandon OpenGL and Vulkan in favor of a new graphics API that only Alyssa could possibly implement?

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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I own an M4 iPad Pro and can't figure out what to do with even a fraction of the horsepower, given iPadOS's limitations. The rumors about an upcoming touchscreen Mac are interesting, perhaps Apple will deign to make their ridiculously overpowered SOCs usable for general purpose computing. A man can dream..

Emulators because IpadOs doesn’t allow dynamic dispatch so you need as much CPU as possible.
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