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Re: Kagi News

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Post by stavros »

motoxpro wrote: post #247
stavros wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's all methods, though. Have you seen humans?

In this situation, humans are more accurate, for now, so it's good information to have. Same as I would like to know if humans self assessed in a study about how well they drive vs the empirical evidence. Humans just aren't that good at that task so it would be good to know coming in. Just call it Kagi Vibes instead of Kagi News as news has a higher bar (at least for me)

I'm not sure I agree that humans are more accurate at summarizing, but I don't have data, so I'll take your word for it.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by bbor »

Harmon758 wrote: post #211
__jonas wrote: post #23

Just to be clear I'm understanding correctly: This is pulling the content of the RSS feeds of several news sites into the context window of an LLM and then asking it to summarize news items into articles and fill in the blanks? I'm asking because that is what it looks like, but AI / LLMs are not specifically mentioned in this blog post, they just say news are 'generated' under the 'News in your language' heading, whi…

Just for concrete confirmation that LLM(s) are being used, there's an open issue on the GitHub repository, on hallucinations with made up information, where a Kagi employee specifically mentions "an LLM hallucination problem": https://github.com/kagisearch/kite-public/issues/97 There's also a line at the bottom of the about page at https://kite.kagi.com/about that says "Summaries may contain errors. Please verify imp…

To take a moment to be a hopeless Stan for one of my all-time favorite companies: I don't think the summary above yours is fair, and I see why they don't center the summary part of it.

Unlike the disastrous Apple feature from earlier this year (which is still available, somehow!), this isn't trying to transform individual articles. Rather, it's focused on capturing broader trends and giving just enough info to decide whether to click into any of the source articles. That seems like a much smaller, more achievable scope than Apple's feature, and as always, open-source helps work like this a ton.

I, for one, like it! I'll try it out. Seems better than my current sources for a quick list of daily links, that's for sure (namely Reddit News, Apple News, Bluesky in general, and a few industry newsletters).

Re: Kagi News

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Post by BeetleB »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #58
rfarley04 wrote: post #53

lol I added 'trump', 'republican', and 'democrat' as custom filter keywords and now it's showing zero stories in the USA category. So apparently, that category is a stand in for politics? Although I have the Thai category enabled (since I live there) and that's all run of the mill national (non political) news. Nice release nonetheless!

It’s probably hard to find an article these days that doesn’t mention one of those words (except maybe celebrity gossip). The world we live in.

In other words, this is exposing a long standing flaw in journalism. I know things are super polarized now, but even 20 years ago, when mentioning a Congressperson regarding a particular social problem, they would specify if he was a Democrat/Republican.

I really don't need to know which party he is part of. If the article was about a party's stance, it makes sense - but the article is about one politician.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by scuppernong »

Given that Orion (which I repeatedly attempt to daily drive due to the dearth of browsers meeting my requirements right now on macos) is still full of bugs that hamper usability, and seems to introduce new ones with every update, I don't know why Kagi insists on overextending itself like this. They just started porting their broken browser to Linux, they're creating a maps app, all while they clearly do not have the manpower to finish the projects they've already started.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by DavideNL »

hn111 wrote: post #163
tower-shield wrote: post #116

I like Kagi and want them to succeed. But currently (according to LinkedIn) theres 26 employees. They are building search, LLM assistant wrappers, a browser and now news. Please don't overextend the same way Proton is currently doing.

I used to love Proton, but they focus too much on feature development instead of stability and fixing long-standing bugs. E.g. zooming has been broken for years in ProtonMail on iOS. Some emails won’t even render at all :(

Yup, i quit Proton (Mail) for the same reason. I had been using it for a long time… There are so many little bugs and annoyances, it’s frustrating to see new features being released all the time while obvious bugs and shortcomings are not fixed.

It was a very big relief going back to a normal email client.

I still support Proton (i pay for Proton VPN) and hope they will succeed in their mission.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by tiltowait »

scuppernong wrote: post #254

Given that Orion (which I repeatedly attempt to daily drive due to the dearth of browsers meeting my requirements right now on macos) is still full of bugs that hamper usability, and seems to introduce new ones with every update, I don't know why Kagi insists on overextending itself like this. They just started porting their broken browser to Linux, they're creating a maps app, all while they clearly do not have the…

Which bugs do you encounter? Orion works nearly perfectly for me.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by iLoveOncall »

If I was giving my money to Kagi I'd be mad that they invest it in bullshit side products like this instead of search.

It seems like all their recent releases are just following into the AI hype.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by edaemon »

stavros wrote: post #229
edaemon wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not the person you asked, but it's useful to know if the summary was generated using a method prone to inaccuracy.

That's all methods, though. Have you seen humans?

Sure, but it's useful to know what kind of inaccuracies to look for.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by jama211 »

stavros wrote: post #158
jama211 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am fine with it using AI but it makes me feel pretty icky that they didn’t mention that this was ai/llm generated at any point in this article. That’s a no-no IMO, and has turned me off this pretty strongly.

Why do you care what technology was used to generate the summaries? What if they had used their old NLP summarizer?

Many reasons, if this news were summarised by humans I would prefer it, one example reason is with AI summaries I know to look out for hallucinations.

To be honest though that’s not the point. I’m more annoyed they weren’t transparent about their methods than I am about them using AI.

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