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Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by codedokode »

songeater wrote: post #107

Tools like Suno are fundamentally enabling. I'm about 40 years old and never "had the music" - not for lack of trying (music lessons at a young age)... but could never carry a tune or keep rhythm. I suppose its what being dyslexic feels like. If I were educated in a culture where music was fundamentally as important as reading or math, I suppose would have spent enough hours on it to eventually be passable... but I g…

I think "learning guitar" is different from "learning Suno" because with guitar you have control over what you play. I also love music, and making music, and have no natural musical talent, but I see no interest in generating a song without me deciding every aspect and choosing every note. It's like taking the most interesting and creative part from me.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by nadermx »

dang wrote: post #234
nadermx wrote: post #32

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Please don't break the site guidelines like this, no matter how bad something is or you feel it is. Maybe you don't owe AI audio creations better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I feel I must push back on this dang. I was being kind and not snarky, but critisim was earned as I listened to the tracks that where suggested. Had I said these are wonderful no flag. OP stated something that would lead someone to believe they where as good as grandfather comment description. It was in fact not audioly pleasent despite the great visuals.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by codedokode »

radley wrote: post #160
j4coh wrote: post #153

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It’s really not. It’s like having interdimensional Spotify where you can describe any song and they will pull it up from whatever dimension made it and play it for you. It may empower you as a consumer but it does not make you a creator.

I dunno, based on Spotify's recommendation engine, AI is absolutely sufficient to make anyone a creator ;P Almost all naturally-generated music is derivative to one degree or another. And new tools like AI provide new ways to produce music, just like all new instruments have done in the past. Take drum and bass. Omni Trio made a few tracks in the early 90s. It was interesting at the time, but it wasn't suddenly a gen…

> Take drum and bass. Omni Trio made a few tracks in the early 90s. It was interesting at the time, but it wasn't suddenly a genre. It only became so because other artists copied them, then copied other copies, and more and more kept doing it because they all enjoyed doing so.

Musicians not just copy but everyone adds something new; it's like programmers taking some existing algorithm (like sorting) and improving it. The question is, can Suno user add something new to the drum-and-bass pattern? Or they can just copy? Also as it uses a text prompt, I cannot imagine how do you even edit anything? "Make note number 3 longer by a half"? It must be a pain to edit the melody this way.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by codedokode »

bobxmax wrote: post #196
j4coh wrote: post #153

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It’s really not. It’s like having interdimensional Spotify where you can describe any song and they will pull it up from whatever dimension made it and play it for you. It may empower you as a consumer but it does not make you a creator.

And so sampling, dj'ing, these aren't skills? This isn't music?

Sampling is not just cutting a fragment from a song and calling it a day. Usually (if you look at Prodigy's tracks for example) it includes transformation so that the result doesn't sound much like the original. For example, you can sample a single note and make a melody from it. Or turn a soft violin note into a monster's roar.

As for DJ'ing I would say it is pretty limited form of art and it requires lot of skill to create something new this way.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by tummler »

frozenseven wrote: post #249
tummler wrote: post #230

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Skill is nature's way of gatekeeping. If you're too lazy to put effort into learning how to create an art so you can adequately express yourself, why should some technology do all the work for you, and why should anyone want to hear what "you" (ie: the machine) have to say? This is exactly how we end up with endless slop, which doesn't provide a unique perspective, just a homogenized regurgitation of inputs.

>skill >too lazy Again, I wholly reject the idea that there's a line between 'tech people' and 'art people'. You can have an interest in both art and tech. You can do both 'traditional art' and AI art. I also reject the idea that AI tools require no skill, that's clearly not the case. >nature This can so easily be thrown back at you. >why should anyone want to hear what "you" (ie: the machine) have to say? So why are…

• I didn't say there's a line between "tech people" and "art people". Why would there be?

• We're having this discussion because people are trying to equate an auto-amalgamation/auto-generation machine with the artistic process, and in doing so, redefining what "art" means.

• Yes, you can "be creative" with AI, but don't fool yourself-- you're not creating art. I don't call myself a chef because I heated up a microwave dinner.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by codedokode »

visarga wrote: post #211
poulpy123 wrote: post #175

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clicking on a button until you like what you hear is not "making music". I have nothing against these tools, but the hubris of the people using them is insane

What button? Again with the vending machine idea. No, it's language prompting, language has unbounded semantic space. It's not one choice out of 20, it's one choice out of countless possibilities. I give my idea to the model, the model gives me new ideas, I iterate. After enough rounds I get some place where I would never have gotten on my own, or the model gotten there without me. I am not the sole creator, neither…

> language has unbounded semantic space

So if I have a melody in my head, how do I make AI render it using language? Even simpler, if I can beatbox a beat (like "pts-ts-ks-ts"), how do I describe it using language? I don't feel like I can make anything useful by prompting.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by Aldipower »

bobxmax wrote: post #245
Aldipower wrote: post #241

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If you do not credit right it is steeling not art. Suno does not credit right.

So if Suno credits the artists suddenly AI music becomes art? What weird logic.

Your context window seems to be very narrow, please read your own original post and don't twist my words.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by moritzwarhier »

freejazz wrote: post #127
Veedrac wrote: post #121

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This argument always seemed weird to me because it's obviously the case that ‘intent and creativity’ is at best a slim minority of consumer preference. If I want a simple dubstep line with random romantic words meaninglessly peppered in it, or the same 4 chord pop song as every other pop song, or you know, anything popular, that's easy. If I want something that's saying something interesting in the topics I find inte…

The poster you are responding to did not make any reference to "consumer preference"

Thanks.

Culture is fluid. Music is about exploring the boundaries of what sounds good, often because of feelings. Related to the society in which the music is "consumed".

AI music is a commodity and generally uninteresting, like artists who only imitate styles.

But just like annoying over-commercialized music that only tries to scratch existing itches and match expectations, it can still work to a degree.

Intent is not a lofty concept, it's at the heart of what art is.

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