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Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Indeed. I once had a former friend say something to the effect of "I wish there were a candidate who had a healthy balance of libertarian values and compassion". I asked him how he reconciles those to diametrically-opposed concepts and he grumbled and we're no longer friends.

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Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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We can also call it ECMAScript. I always try to refer to it as ES instead of JS in professional coding context.

Apparently people don't like the name "ECMA" because it's too close to "Eczema" which is a nasty dry/itchy skin problem. And I agree, because I have it too.

Ironically EczemaScript is still a better name than ECMAScript.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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We can also call it ECMAScript. I always try to refer to it as ES instead of JS in professional coding context.

I would like to be able to pronounce the name in a sensible quick fashion based on how it is written. ;) For "WebScript" that works. Even just "JS" works. For "ECMAScript" not so much.

ES would be fine. I guess it would conflict with with Spanish domains. But I'm sure we can just continue using .js in the files names... What is the Oracle gonna do? Sue every body who uses .js in the filename?

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Programming Geeks cannot argue in court. Only lawyers can. So the money is going to the right place ?

You're assuming that arguing in court over being allowed to use 1 specific word in a commercial context is a good thing to spend $200,000 on at all, which is quite an assumption, regardless of who does the arguing. I agree with you that it'd be better if Deno took your suggestion, and spent the money on a Programming Geek, rather than being distracted from their core mission for trivial, semantic matters. The latter…

You have just convinced me to stop using the word J8t. It is not worth even $1 to me to be able to use that word. If Oracle wants to claim ownership, that claim can just be added to the legacy of Oracle. It's a bit stupid to be legally forced to stop using the word, but such is the nature of any discussion involving Oracle.

How about Deno put up $10,000 to sponsor a renaming contest? In honor of Deno, I propose VajaScript.

err... Vajascript

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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The name "JavaScript" was silly to begin with, just a way to make the buzzword "Java" more popular. Let's call it WebScript and move on.

"The most important thing in the programming language is the name. A language will not succeed without a good name. I have recently invented a very good name and now I am looking for a suitable language." - Donald Knuth

Javascript was never a good name and if they weren't the defacto option to program the web, they would have never made it. I don't know why deno is so eager to get hold of the JS trademark when they have the perfect unencumbered name right there: denolang.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Oracle probably has a hundred lawyers that make more than $200k per year. If Deno tries to half-ass this case, they will be doing the JavaScript community a disservice by creating court precedent for Oracle.

Oracle has a lot of money and lawyers, and how much of that have they used to actually protect the trademark? Do they sue people for infringement? Do they run ads in trade magazines saying, "hey please don't use our trademark generically"? How much money do they make from owning the trademark? Are they going to spend more than that to defend it?

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Why not “JS”? Then we can all take sides in a religious war on whether it’s pronounced jay-ess, jayce, juss, or jess?

JS would be hard to trademark now because there’s so many other services using JS as part of their trademark. There’s also already quite a few companies who’ve already registered JS as a trademark. You also couldn’t call it Jscript because Microsoft owns the trademark there. EMCAScript is the most practical from a legal standpoint, but that name sucks badly.

Yeah, but that's what is needed.

An un-trademark-eable term.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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The only possibly related topic that could qualify as a public service would be abolishing trademark. As it is I'd much rather get paid for having to put up with hearing about the damn language.

Isn't that exactly what they're doing here? My understanding is Deno is asking the courts to invalidate Oracle's JavaScript trademark, making it a generic term in the public domain. They are not asking for the mark to be re-assigned to Deno.

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