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Re: Want to piss off your IT department? Are the links not malicious looking enough?

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You innocent young being. There are some gaping holes in your Internet lore knowledge, but it's been eons since that's been seen in the wild.

This recently came up in a conversation with family, and my nephew of 17 years old knew about it, and said it still exists. Personally I haven't seen it in a long time. I didn't have the guts to tell my family about goatse.

Probably for the best - lets not burden future generations.

Re: Want to piss off your IT department? Are the links not malicious looking enough?

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My It department does mandatory phishing training every year, and then for the "test" e-mails, they spoof a domain and whitelist the DMARC on their side so it goes through. So we get e-mails from @microsoft.com and it's only if you dig in the metadata that you see it failed authentication. The only tell in the e-mail is checking the URL, which doesn't tell you much because tons of regular e-mails use tracker redirect…

Hey, simulating the hack is a lot better than using some canned tool with blatant knowbe4 urls.

For anyone subjected to these, they usually contain the header X-PHISHTEST which you can create a filter for, and then either send them to trash or put them in a special folder so you can report them later.

Re: Want to piss off your IT department? Are the links not malicious looking enough?

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It’s a trade-off. Most people are never going to check the links no matter how much you ask them to, and even if they did they wouldn’t know what to check for. But the tool Microsoft give you to check a link before opening it is that awful URL rewriter, which prevents the small minority who would check from being able to. Similarly those flashing cmd windows are usually automatic update processes that Windows has no…

There is an easy answer. Give employees two computers. One is the 'business' one. Mostly locked down, with checks in place. The other is on a different network, isolated from all business functions, and they can do what they want but must never use it for work data, just like their phones (that everyone knows they use for social media etc. in the day). Sure, you still have to deal with copying from one to the other (…

It's not really an easy answer as (1) it doesn't stop phishing attacks hitting work emails so isn't really relevant anyway, (2) most people, executives especially, don't want to cart multiple devices around, which is why we now have to deal with the security nightmare that is supporting work stuff on BYOD phones, (3) I don't work for a SV company with the budget to buy everyone two laptops, and if we did, honestly I think most people would prefer a better single laptop than two mediocre ones. Besides, most people just treat their phone as their personal portable device now. The odd person brings their own laptop.

Developers are the exception here, where usually they'd prefer to develop on a machine with minimal BS running, even if it means carrying around an ultraportable in addition to their development workstation laptop.

Re: Want to piss off your IT department? Are the links not malicious looking enough?

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I don't think you can put cookies on a TLD. So if Google used mail.google and calendar.google , the login system would be more complex, because they can't share cookies.

Modern auth systems do not work by exposing multiple services on a single domain with shared cookies. Instead, they authenticate using a common auth service (say, auth.google), which by virtue of being a single domain can persist shared cookies for all its consumers. This would yield a valid token (possibly a JWT) that the authenticating application can then use however it would like, including as a cookie on the app…

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Re: Want to piss off your IT department? Are the links not malicious looking enough?

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All that anti-phishing training that taught us to look closely at the URL and now it's all just safelinks.protection.outlook.com

My It department does mandatory phishing training every year, and then for the "test" e-mails, they spoof a domain and whitelist the DMARC on their side so it goes through. So we get e-mails from @microsoft.com and it's only if you dig in the metadata that you see it failed authentication. The only tell in the e-mail is checking the URL, which doesn't tell you much because tons of regular e-mails use tracker redirect…

No one in IT wants to deal with that stuff. Upper management requires it for compliance and cyber insurance.

Re: Want to piss off your IT department? Are the links not malicious looking enough?

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Ah no need, corporate IT already make all URLs malicious looking through some microsoft "secure link" service, and constantly shows everyone shady looking prompts that constantly change and have cmd.exe windows flash in at random. A phone call from Microsoft about my Norton anti-virus subscription putting me into debt that can only be settled with Nintendo gift cards bought in cash across 16 specific gas stations see…

It’s a trade-off. Most people are never going to check the links no matter how much you ask them to, and even if they did they wouldn’t know what to check for. But the tool Microsoft give you to check a link before opening it is that awful URL rewriter, which prevents the small minority who would check from being able to. Similarly those flashing cmd windows are usually automatic update processes that Windows has no…

I do not believe this is a trade-off, I believe this behavior from corporate IT is a primary cause of the problem. I do agree that dealing with users is awful, but that doesn't justify solutions that only make things worse.

The flashing cmd.exe windows are not drivers from Windows Update - this could have been the case as drivers shipped with Windows Update is a total security nightmare running arbitrary code with administrative privileges upon hotplug - but in this context of managed devices, commonly from HP or Lenovo's corporate portfolio, it's usually additional products and changes pushed by group policy or random management software.

The often changing user prompts, looking like they were from some early 2000's hello world example, come from obscure and overlapping management software they remotely deploy which they change at will. You don't need a proprietary solution to remotely upgrade Google Chrome, just specify an enterprise policy with auto-update. You don't need a proprietary solution to prompt users and manage Windows Update, because you have... Windows Update.

The URL checker has no valid benefit, and makes it so people can never learn how to do it themselves. The browser performs the exact same checks with the exact same capabilities through its safe browsing stuff, and corporate IT often has network-level solutions too.

Corporate IT uses emails services that spoof domains and look suspicious, reversing all the phishing training they paid for.

Not to mention that Corporate IT might deploy network-wide solutions like Cisco Umbrella, which is a TLS Man-in-the-Middle attack where you install their root CA on all machines and let them control DNS to randomly redirect all traffic to their servers, effectively undermining the basis of all modern web security for the entire organization.

In general there's a fetish for buying products that has significant negative impact to security, user experience and possibility of training users, usually for the purpose of feigning progress and meeting some targets. Say, they had a ransomware incident, and now they're buying every ransomware product for a few years. Stuff with such buggy kernel code that it deadlocks and makes it impossible to create new processes until you hard reboot. I'm sure that's not a security problem!

Re: Want to piss off your IT department? Are the links not malicious looking enough?

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I don't think you can put cookies on a TLD. So if Google used mail.google and calendar.google , the login system would be more complex, because they can't share cookies.

Modern auth systems do not work by exposing multiple services on a single domain with shared cookies. Instead, they authenticate using a common auth service (say, auth.google), which by virtue of being a single domain can persist shared cookies for all its consumers. This would yield a valid token (possibly a JWT) that the authenticating application can then use however it would like, including as a cookie on the app…

Some modern auth systems. Not all.

I created a separate Chrome profile, and logged in to gmail. Then I disabled javascript, then deleted all my google.com cookies (but left my mail.google.com cookies). Then I reenabled javascript and visited mail.google.com again. I was logged out. So Google is using the google.com cookies.

Re: Want to piss off your IT department? Are the links not malicious looking enough?

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post #64

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You innocent young being. There are some gaping holes in your Internet lore knowledge, but it's been eons since that's been seen in the wild.

Its been just long enough. I hope it makes a comeback.

Mandatory https://xkcd.com/286

Re: Want to piss off your IT department? Are the links not malicious looking enough?

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You innocent young being. There are some gaping holes in your Internet lore knowledge, but it's been eons since that's been seen in the wild.

This recently came up in a conversation with family, and my nephew of 17 years old knew about it, and said it still exists. Personally I haven't seen it in a long time. I didn't have the guts to tell my family about goatse.

Who among us can compare with that colon?
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