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Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by epistasis »

fsckboy wrote: post #213
epistasis wrote: post #205

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Oh wow how the conspiracy theories change. There used to be fears of "death panels" controlling access to medical care when Clinton tried to propose universal health care. The CDC and FDA are about safety, not cost management. And they get significant complaints about how much they regulate pharma and are impediments to pharma for that! Now the conspiracy theorists of the other side seem to be having their day in the…

clear financial incentives are never conspiracy theories: always follow the money. thinking that they are conspiracy theories? that's a conspiracy theorist.

There's no clear financial incentive on the decisions here. If there were, it would be collusion, and not in the open, and therefore not clear.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by mensetmanusman »

novemp wrote: post #218
koolba wrote: post #212

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The vaccines neither stop you from contracting covid nor stop you from spreading it if you did contract it. More generally why should anyone be forced to take any vaccine? The controversial idea here is thinking it’s okay to mandate someone else do something to their body.

> The controversial idea here is thinking it’s okay to mandate someone else do something to their body. Meanwhile you're trying to mandate exposing other people to covid because you don't want a vaccine.

Your priors are 5 years old. Everyone is exposed to sarscov2 regardless of vaccination.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by unmole »

rishikeshs wrote: post #217
arjie wrote: post #147

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It is actually not straightforward to do. Safeway Pharmacy refused to actually give me the vaccine when I showed up saying I'm not in a group that's eligible. One Medical told me that it would be a $400/shot 3-shot regimen. I'll probably just travel to India some time to visit family and get Cervavac there instead of Gardasil here. It's about $20/shot.

What’s the procedure of getting Cervavac in india?

You can pretty much walk into any decent clinic and just ask for one.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by illiac786 »

shirro wrote: post #231

Good stuff. Australia has a target for eliminating cervical cancer by 2035 and ofcourse HPV is responsible for a large proportion of penile, mouth, throat and anal cancers as well. All my kids got free vaccinations at school. It is shocking that there are still places in the world where this is controversial. You can tell a lot about the qualities of a society by the way they care for their own.

You should think about how you would react to “you can tell a lot about the qualities of a society by the way they [detain people on Nauru | reject asyl seekers | don’t care for indigenous populations]”.

I feel your comment is a generalisation and could be construed as provocation/trolling. Probably not your intention, but just so you are aware how this is coming over.

Better maybe: “societies that have good health care thrive” or something like this. Sounds less judgmental and it doesn’t put all US Americans in one basket.

I fully agree on the content though, only criticising the form here.

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Post by _heimdall »

loeg wrote: post #142
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #59

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> Why is there an age limit on an all encompassing vax Vaccines are subject to stringent safety standards since they’re administered to healthy people. The age limit may suggest that at the time of the recommendation, in the relevant jurisdiction, the manufacturer had not studied its safety and efficacy in >40 year olds. (I also don’t think it’s an age limit as much as the upper end of a recommendation.)

E.g., the Shingles vaccine simply hasn't been tested in <50 populations. But if you're under 50 and you've had the chicken pox, you should ask your PCP to prescribe the shingles vaccine off-label and go get it, because shingles sucks and the vaccine definitely works.

I don't follow your logic here. The GP comment is saying that the vaccine isn't available for populations it hasn't been tested for. Why are you recommending people ignore the fact that safety and efficacy testing isn't available for their population?

And how can you say the vaccine definitely works for populations it hasn't been tested on?

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by thfuran »

deadbabe wrote: post #215

It’s insane to think that someday humanity will finally find a cure for cancer, and then after all this money and research and struggle people will just… choose not to use it.

There will never be a single cure to all cancers. Different cancers have different underlying mechanisms and affect different tissues.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by illiac786 »

killjoywashere wrote: post #248

Denmark is in a chronic baby shortage [1] and people in Western democracies are having less sex generally [2]. So, yay, less HPV. Go get vaccinated [3]. Unfortunately, there are some pretty significant (and sad, yes, sad) confounders. [1] https://www.sdu.dk/en/nyheder/faldende-fertilitet [2] https://www.google.com/search?q=western+democracies+decreasi... [3] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10399474/

Do you mean there is a causality between less sex and HPV vaccination, when you write “confounder”? I can’t find any study supporting this, hence double checking.

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Post by fsckboy »

epistasis wrote: post #251
fsckboy wrote: post #213

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clear financial incentives are never conspiracy theories: always follow the money. thinking that they are conspiracy theories? that's a conspiracy theorist.

There's no clear financial incentive on the decisions here. If there were, it would be collusion, and not in the open, and therefore not clear.

the cdc decides to make recommendations no matter how expensive, and big pharma collects the expensive, and the expert community works for the cdc and big pharma? do you even understand what regulatory capture is? do you understand how framing something as saving lives no matter the cost draws attention away from funneling money to big pharma no matter the deficit?

let me guess, you work in this area too.

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Post by somenameforme »

deadbabe wrote: post #215

It’s insane to think that someday humanity will finally find a cure for cancer, and then after all this money and research and struggle people will just… choose not to use it.

A cure is a treatment, a vaccine is a prophylactic. The most dangerous, by far, cancer that this would help mitigate is cervical cancer which makes up about 0.7% of cancer deaths in the US, exclusively amongst women. The overwhelming majority of cervical cancers occur in Africa due to the fact that HIV/AIDS dramatically increases your susceptibility to developing it.

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Post by somenameforme »

thfuran wrote: post #256
deadbabe wrote: post #215

It’s insane to think that someday humanity will finally find a cure for cancer, and then after all this money and research and struggle people will just… choose not to use it.

There will never be a single cure to all cancers. Different cancers have different underlying mechanisms and affect different tissues.

I think this is untrue. All work by uncontrolled replication of cells. This is why nanotechnology had the promise of being able to eliminate cancer - imagine a nano scale robot regularly cycling through your body on occasion, looking for and eliminating cancerous growths.

Drugs, though, probably have very limited potential.

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