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Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by gizajob »

noirscape wrote: post #116
hmartin wrote: post #109

But the real question... what will happen with .io TLD? (British Indian Ocean Territory's)

It should eventually get removed by ICANN, since the country code TLDs are managed by ISO 3166-1 alpha 2 (it's however not an exact match), and the transfer will mean the British Indian Ocean Territories will no longer exist. ISO is going to be the entity in charge of removing the io country code, which it probably will do since ISO 3166-1 alpha 2 isn't just used for domain names. There's a standardized process for t…

Why is not using .gb a mistake? The official name of the country is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland - Great Britain is the island containing England, Scotland and Wales. The UK also contains Northern Ireland. It would be nonsensical (technically) for Northern Irish businesses to have domains ending in .gb

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by gizajob »

throawaywpg wrote: post #145
sys_64738 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember asking this question to a work colleague from India almost 30 years ago. I asked something like if he hated the Brits for invading his land. He said on the contrary. They advanced their people so rapidly and efficiently through education and technical advances that would have taken hundreds of years by themselves. He said this allowed them to kick the British out once they had outlived their usefulness. Or…

Some Indians benefitted, but the vast majority suffered.

I’d say most Indians are pretty happy about the cricket situation.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by diggan »

arethuza wrote: post #244
seszett wrote: post #155

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I measured it a while ago (well, 11 years now) and both France and the UK made the cut[0]. France has much more margin though, IIRC no single territory becoming independent would make the sun set on France. [0] https://ssz.fr/sun-never-sets/

France also has the longest internal scheduled flight - 9,349km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_longest_domestic_fli...

Had*, seems it was added to work around American Covid restrictions, and it was only active for ~1 month.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by noirscape »

gizajob wrote: post #251
noirscape wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should eventually get removed by ICANN, since the country code TLDs are managed by ISO 3166-1 alpha 2 (it's however not an exact match), and the transfer will mean the British Indian Ocean Territories will no longer exist. ISO is going to be the entity in charge of removing the io country code, which it probably will do since ISO 3166-1 alpha 2 isn't just used for domain names. There's a standardized process for t…

Why is not using .gb a mistake? The official name of the country is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland - Great Britain is the island containing England, Scotland and Wales. The UK also contains Northern Ireland. It would be nonsensical (technically) for Northern Irish businesses to have domains ending in .gb

Because "uk" isn't in ISO 3166-1 alpha 2, "gb" is, and the formal designation for The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is "gb".

It wouldn't be nonsense for northern Irish businesses to have .gb domains, because that's what the ISO convention says it would be.

The change will basically never happen though; ICANN has basically acquiesced any attempt to change it (after a weak attempt to do so in the 90s), and since it's pretty unlikely in the near future that another country gets "uk" as their alpha 2 designation, they aren't in any hurry to force the matter. "gb" is still marked as reserved though.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by noirscape »

michaelt wrote: post #151
noirscape wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should eventually get removed by ICANN, since the country code TLDs are managed by ISO 3166-1 alpha 2 (it's however not an exact match), and the transfer will mean the British Indian Ocean Territories will no longer exist. ISO is going to be the entity in charge of removing the io country code, which it probably will do since ISO 3166-1 alpha 2 isn't just used for domain names. There's a standardized process for t…

> That said, it's unlikely that the entity currently managing .io (a hedge fund if I'm not mistaken) has the legal muscle to force ICANN to keep it in the list ICANN periodically lets anyone with $1 million create random new generic TLDs like .top and .win and .google and .hiv and .amazon and .zip - it's pretty clear there aren't any real rules or standards for TLDs apart from having money. Why should ICANN break thi…

> ICANN periodically lets anyone with $1 million create random new generic TLDs like .top and .win and .google and .hiv and .amazon and .zip - it's pretty clear there aren't any real rules or standards for TLDs apart from having money.

There's actually a bunch of rules gTLDs have to follow compared to ccTLDs. The main one I know of is that they can't randomly screw you over if you've already registered a domain name with them - they're allowed to force conditions on initial signups, but they are required to respond to things like trademark disputes in the ICANN process or domain name registrar transfers (if you ever wondered why this is a relatively easy thing - it's because ICANN punishes registrars that don't cooperate).

Freenom got in a lot of trouble back in the day for not following the rules and got suspended+fined a few times by ICANN for gTLD registrations. It took a Facebook lawsuit for them to finally go under though.

> Why should ICANN break things for .io and its users, when they could instead keep things working, and extract $1M from a hedge fund, at the same time?

Because ccTLDs follow a different standard. ICANN makes no money from ccTLDs - they're given to the country that owns the territory in question (or whatever pseudo-legal authority comes closest), and the country then has the right to sublicense out the right to those TLDs under any conditions it wants to use. Some countries don't let you do top-level registrations or any registrations at all, reserving the entire space for government websites. Others make them basically open to registration by anyone. ICANN has no real financial ties for .io in specific; any money that the hedge fund pays for it goes to the British government.

This system as I understand it, is this way in part to appease countries that would otherwise have bad relationships with the US to accept ICANN as the central naming authority of the internet even though it's a US-based entity; 2 letter TLDs are given to the country in question and in exchange, they follow the other rules of ICANN.

Making an exception would basically require the UK to make a fuss about it (since that's what Russia did with .su), which seems unlikely given the UK is also changing the legal status of the British Indian Ocean Territories in such a way that they cease to exist.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by toyg »

noirscape wrote: post #255
michaelt wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That said, it's unlikely that the entity currently managing .io (a hedge fund if I'm not mistaken) has the legal muscle to force ICANN to keep it in the list ICANN periodically lets anyone with $1 million create random new generic TLDs like .top and .win and .google and .hiv and .amazon and .zip - it's pretty clear there aren't any real rules or standards for TLDs apart from having money. Why should ICANN break thi…

> ICANN periodically lets anyone with $1 million create random new generic TLDs like .top and .win and .google and .hiv and .amazon and .zip - it's pretty clear there aren't any real rules or standards for TLDs apart from having money. There's actually a bunch of rules gTLDs have to follow compared to ccTLDs. The main one I know of is that they can't randomly screw you over if you've already registered a domain name…

> Because ccTLDs follow a different standard

They will just move .io from ccTLD to gTLD, with the UK government's blessing. Everyone realizes there is no point in stopping the money from flowing.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by qingcharles »

gizajob wrote: post #251
noirscape wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should eventually get removed by ICANN, since the country code TLDs are managed by ISO 3166-1 alpha 2 (it's however not an exact match), and the transfer will mean the British Indian Ocean Territories will no longer exist. ISO is going to be the entity in charge of removing the io country code, which it probably will do since ISO 3166-1 alpha 2 isn't just used for domain names. There's a standardized process for t…

Why is not using .gb a mistake? The official name of the country is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland - Great Britain is the island containing England, Scotland and Wales. The UK also contains Northern Ireland. It would be nonsensical (technically) for Northern Irish businesses to have domains ending in .gb

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-2:GB

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by qingcharles »

KoolKat23 wrote: post #80
Waterluvian wrote: post #77

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To be satisfyingly pedantic, my King isn’t the same King. Mine is the King of Canada. It just happens to be the same person as the King of England and the King of Australia ;)

If it walks like King Charles, and quacks like King Charles, then it must be...

Which King Charles? The one with his head or the one without?

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by StopDisinfo910 »

awesome_dude wrote: post #181
StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #174

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Are you intentionally entirely missing the point? Once again the question is not if it’s doable but why it should be done. Indian in Fiji is entirely irrelevant here (unless you think a military dictatorship supported by the church is somehow what New Caledonia needs). If you are arguing they should leave because New Caledonia is the ancestral land of the indigenous population, well, I will let you apply the argument…

> Are you intentionally entirely missing the point? Ok angry dude.. what point am I supposedly "intentionally missing" > why it should be done Yes, why should people have the right to self determination of a land they have occupied for thousands of years. > Indian in Fiji is entirely irrelevant here Since f*cking when? > unless you think a military dictatorship supported by the church is somehow what New Caledonia ne…

I’m not angry. You have asked me to make an effort but you refuse to genuinely engage with the topic.

You are pretending to have no opinion while clearly pushing that New Caledonia should legitimately be given back to the Kanak but at the same time pretend you don’t which makes discussing difficult.

It’s pretty clear to me that you come at the issue from a postcolonial, anti-imperialist view point somehow rooted in post-structuralism. That doesn’t make the question of the legitimacy of said viewpoint less central. I will be clear that I don’t myself adhere to it at all but it’s definitely part of what needs to be considered if a solution is to be found for New Caledonia.

> why should people have the right to self determination of a land they have occupied for thousands of years.

Why should people who have been there since their birth leave the only place they have ever called home and where their grandparents were living to satisfy the idea that the legitimate owner of the land are population whose ancestors somehow came before?

Don’t they also have a right to self determination?

> So, now they're relevant, but not Fiji and the Indians.

They are not more or less relevant. I’m simply pointing that if you use the argument of a supposed rightful ownership of the land and applies it equally to other places than Fiji, it’s obvious that the question is not as simple as you make it seems.

I’m not proving your point - accepting you actually have one something I’m not at this time completely convinced of. I’m merely pointing to you that you refuse to engage with the problem in its full complexity and that there can be no simple answer to complex situation.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by noirscape »

toyg wrote: post #256
noirscape wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ICANN periodically lets anyone with $1 million create random new generic TLDs like .top and .win and .google and .hiv and .amazon and .zip - it's pretty clear there aren't any real rules or standards for TLDs apart from having money. There's actually a bunch of rules gTLDs have to follow compared to ccTLDs. The main one I know of is that they can't randomly screw you over if you've already registered a domain name…

> Because ccTLDs follow a different standard They will just move .io from ccTLD to gTLD, with the UK government's blessing. Everyone realizes there is no point in stopping the money from flowing.

They probably won't, the 2 character space is reserved for ccTLDs by their existing policies.

Only 3 characters and up can be gTLDs.

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