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Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by Towaway69 »

stpedgwdgfhgdd wrote: post #221
fx0x309 wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In other words, the vibe coders of this world are just redundant noobs who don't really belong on the marketplace. They've written the same bullshit CRUD app every month for the past couple of years and now they've turned to AI to speed things up

Last week I asked Claude to improve a piece of code that downloads all AWS RDS certificates to just the ones needed for that AWS region. It figured out several ways to determine the correct region, made a nice tradeoff and suggested the most reliable way. It rewrote the logic to download the right set, did some research to figure out the right endpoint in between. It only made one mistake, it fallback mechanism was p…

This is just a thought experiment.

I don't mean to be treading on feet but I'm noticing this more and more in the debates around AI. Imagine if there are developers out there that could have done this task in 30 mins without AI.

The level of performanace of AI solutions is heavily related to the experience level of the developer and of the problem space being tackled - as this thread points out.

Unfortunately the marketing around AI ignores this and makes every developer not using AI for coding seem like a dinosauer, even though they might well be faster in solving their particular problems.

AI is moving problem solving skills from coding to writing the correct prompts and teaching AI to do the right thing - which, again, is subjective, since the "right thing" for one developer isn't the "right thing" for the another developer. "Right thing" being the correct solution, the understandable solution, the fastest solution, etc depending on the needs of the developer using the AI.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

pjmlp wrote: post #173

The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop. Slowly the AI craziness at Microsoft is taking the similar shape, of going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition, that they also had with Web (IE), mobile (Windows CE/Pocket PC/WP 7/WP 8/UWP), the BUILD sessions t…

Microsoft mistook a product game for a distribution one. AI quality is heterogenous and advancing enough that people will make an effort to use the one they like best. And while CoPilot is excellently distributed, it’s a crap product, in large part due to the limits Microsoft put on GPT.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by theshrike79 »

raincole wrote: post #231
pjmlp wrote: post #173

The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop. Slowly the AI craziness at Microsoft is taking the similar shape, of going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition, that they also had with Web (IE), mobile (Windows CE/Pocket PC/WP 7/WP 8/UWP), the BUILD sessions t…

Microsoft owns 49% of OpenAI so why they should worry? JetBrains just proudly announce that they now use GPT-5 by default. > going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition Sure, but there are counter examples too. Microsoft went late to the party of cloud computing. Today Azure is their main money printing machine. At some point Visual Studio seemed to be a legacy app only used for Windows-specific a…

Anecdotally: Azure is the Teams of cloud services - nobody uses it voluntarily or because it's technically the best solution.

They use it because the corporation mandates it.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

raincole wrote: post #231
pjmlp wrote: post #173

The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop. Slowly the AI craziness at Microsoft is taking the similar shape, of going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition, that they also had with Web (IE), mobile (Windows CE/Pocket PC/WP 7/WP 8/UWP), the BUILD sessions t…

Microsoft owns 49% of OpenAI so why they should worry? JetBrains just proudly announce that they now use GPT-5 by default. > going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition Sure, but there are counter examples too. Microsoft went late to the party of cloud computing. Today Azure is their main money printing machine. At some point Visual Studio seemed to be a legacy app only used for Windows-specific a…

> Microsoft owns 49% of OpenAI

Power at OpenAI seems orthogonal to ownership, precedent or even frankly their legal documents.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by throwawayffffas »

VMG wrote: post #226
not_your_vase wrote: post #139

3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot. I asked 2 things. 1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent dri…

> It configured also non-existent drivers, and for some reason it enabled monkey test support (but not test support). If it doesn't have the underlying base data, it tends to hallucinates. (It's getting a bit difficult to tell when it has underlying data, because some models autonomously search the web). The models are good at transforming data however, so give it access to whatever data it needs. Also let it work in…

> It may sound silly, but it's simply not good at can2D.

It's not silly at all, it's not very good at layouts either, it can generally make layouts but there is a high chance for subtle errors, element overlaps, text overflows, etc.

Mostly because it's a language model, i.e it doesn't generally see what it makes, you can send screenshots apparently and it will use it's embedded vision model, but I have not tried that.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by throwawayffffas »

_boffin_ wrote: post #160
xoac wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He asked what he was doing wrong?

too big of tasks. break them down and then proceed from there. have it build out task lists in a TASKS.md. review those tasks. do you agree? no? work with it to refine. implement one by one. have it add the tests. refactor after awhile as {{model}} doesn't like to do utility functions a lot. right now, about +50k lines in to a project that's vibecoded. i sit back and direct and it plays. Imagine the CS 100 class wher…

Too big and requiring too much niche specific knowledge, you somehow have to inject that knowledge and allow it to iterate.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by rusinov »

Archonical wrote: post #4

This is great. I've been using Xcode with a separate terminal to run Claude Code, which has been a painful setup.

What was your problem with it? I see it running in a terminal more convenient (can point it to read local files outside of a project folder, for example)

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by johnisgood »

ranguna wrote: post #249
OtherShrezzing wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s good at doing stuff like “host this all in Docker. Make a Postgres database with a Users table. Make a FastAPI CRUD endpoint for Users. Make a React site with a homepage, login page, and user dashboard”. It’ll successfully produce _something_ like that, because there’s millions of examples of those technologies online. If you do anything remotely niche, you need to hold its hand far more. The more complicated yo…

Did you try claude code and spend actual time going back and forth with it, reviewing it's code and providing suggestions; Instead of just expecting things to work first try with minimal requirements? I see claude code as pair programming with a junior/mid dev that knows all fields of computer engineering. I still need to nudge it here and there, it will still make noob mistakes that I need to correct and I let it kn…

> Did you try claude code and spend actual time going back and forth with it, reviewing it's code and providing suggestions; Instead of just expecting things to work first try with minimal requirements?

I did, but I always approached LLM for coding this way and I have never been let down. You need to be as specific as possible, be a part of the whole process. I have no issues with it.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by celeryd »

pjmlp wrote: post #173

The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop. Slowly the AI craziness at Microsoft is taking the similar shape, of going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition, that they also had with Web (IE), mobile (Windows CE/Pocket PC/WP 7/WP 8/UWP), the BUILD sessions t…

Maybe because Microsoft is a shit company and anything they do is sus af. And everyone knows it. And I'm tired of pretending like it's not. I wouldn't trust Microsoft to babysit my mortal enemy's kids.

Maybe if they weren't literally the borg people would open their hearts and wallets to Redmond. They saw that Windows 10 was a privacy nightmare and what did they do? They doubled down in Windows 11. Not that I care but it plays really poorly. Every nerd on the internet spouts off about Recall even though it's not even enabled if you install straight to the latest build.

They bought GitHub and now it's a honeypot. We live in a world where we have to assume GitHub is adversarial.

_NSAKEY???

Fuck you Microsoft.

Makes sense karma catches up to them. Maybe if their mission statement and vision were pure or at least convincing they would win hearts and minds.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by Mashimo »

breadwinner wrote: post #42

It seems every IDE now has AI built-in. That's a problem if you're working on highly confidential code. You never know when the AI is going to upload code snippets to the server for analysis.

On IDEA the organisation who controls the license can disable the build in (remote) AI. (Not the local auto complete one)

But I guess the user could still get a 3rd party plugin.

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