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Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by tomhow »

m00x wrote: post #237
arnaudsm wrote: post #131

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> Maybe spend more time researching than hating and you'll end up with a more factual state of the world.

The comment you were replying to was the kind of dismissal we want to avoid on HN, but we need you to avoid swipes like this on HN. The comment would been fine without that last line. Please try to observe the guidelines, especially these ones:

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Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by FireBeyond »

rogerrogerr wrote: post #250
FireBeyond wrote: post #234

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> would pay many dollars for that steaming pile on future cars I purchase. Thankfully Elon has already got that sorted for you! $12k, and if you sell your Tesla for a new one, you’ll have to buy it again! Doesn’t transfer with you (or the car for that matter, it just vanishes on title transfer).

Literally everything you wrote is false, you should educate yourself more to avoid spreading misinformation: 1. FSD on a new car is currently $8k [0] 2. FSD has been transferable on buying a new car for a while - there’s usually some kind of promo [1] 3. If you don’t transfer it to a new car, it does transfer with the car [2] —- 0: https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview 1: https://www.tesla.com/support/fsd-tran…

Oh good! They've done better, then.

It was $12K. And as you acknowledge, it was non-transferable until relatively recently.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by rendaw »

atleastoptimal wrote: post #162
arnaudsm wrote: post #131

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Doesn't matter. That hype will draw attention, which will draw investors, which will draw in money to pay for the best researchers until they become SOTA. If 3 years ago the tech was available then how come the Neuralink patients never got that? I'm sure they'd be the first to sign up. Distribution is part of innovation. Brain computer interfaces exist but those who would be willing to undergo the procedure to get th…

> we live in a world where miracles exist that could help thousands of lives, but they move too slowly to help those lives

Do you understand what you're saying? Too slowly in contrast to "move fast and break things" where "things" = "people"? In a thread about the risks of tesla killing pedestrians? This is classic supervillain logic.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by bluefirebrand »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #243
rc5150 wrote: post #233

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The unfortunate part is that your first thought went to return on investment rather than the humanitarian angle, which I think is the common perspective; optics and money. Then there's the pessimists, like me, wondering how long it'll take to Neuralink to turn their army of computer connected paraplegics into some Mechanical Turk-esque Grok clean up.

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Things have costs so we should be ok with a society where the wealthy exploit poor and desperate people?

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by AbrahamParangi »

tomhow wrote: post #251
m00x wrote: post #237

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> Maybe spend more time researching than hating and you'll end up with a more factual state of the world. The comment you were replying to was the kind of dismissal we want to avoid on HN, but we need you to avoid swipes like this on HN. The comment would been fine without that last line. Please try to observe the guidelines, especially these ones: Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Ed…

The first comment quite clearly started the incivility

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by porridgeraisin »

tomhow wrote: post #251
m00x wrote: post #237

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> Maybe spend more time researching than hating and you'll end up with a more factual state of the world. The comment you were replying to was the kind of dismissal we want to avoid on HN, but we need you to avoid swipes like this on HN. The comment would been fine without that last line. Please try to observe the guidelines, especially these ones: Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Ed…

To be fair, the entirety of GP felt snarky to me, although I may be reading it wrong.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by jakeydus »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #215
jakeydus wrote: post #203

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I don’t hate him. I think he’s a sad, small man who makes himself feel big by being a bully and faking technical experience and knowledge. I think his fans confuse being in the right place at the right time in possession significant capital as genius. I think he is an incredibly toxic public figure. I think farming outrage and feeding trolls is bad for everyone. I think Nazi salutes are bad. I think that lying is bad…

I read this Musk biography a few years ago: https://www.amazon.com/Elon-Musk-SpaceX-Fantastic-Future/dp/... I don't think he's short of technical skill. I think he is a genius, and I think he's sincere in his desire to make humanity multiplanetary. I recommend reading the biography to get the facts that aren't penetrating your bubble. I think Musk is going kind of insane due to ketamine abuse, bipolar disorder, and/o…

You keep saying I’m in a bubble. I read the Vance bio, and the Isaacson one. I came away with very different opinions of him. At least the Isaacson book didn’t leave me with the taste of boots in my mouth.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by 63 »

There's a lot of both negativity and positivity here. I think both are warranted and important. I'm not generally a fan of Musk and think most of his ventures are overhyped. I also understand that Neuralink committed a series of horrific acts against macaques to develop this device and they ought to be investigated and have what they did shown to the public for scrutiny.

That said, as someone who has undergone screening for a neurodegenerative disease (thankfully I tested negative), I'm fairly confident in saying that it's an awful thing to experience and any technology that can provide more autonomy is invaluable. When I had to confront the possibility that I might have MS or ALS, I literally said "Neuralink probably shouldn't have killed those monkeys but, fuck it, they're already dead so they better hurry up. I don't want to live like that."

I hope we can develop further treatments more ethically and in a way that doesn't result in dystopian brain adverts of course, but even this level of technology is miraculous.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by tomhow »

porridgeraisin wrote: post #256
tomhow wrote: post #251

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> Maybe spend more time researching than hating and you'll end up with a more factual state of the world. The comment you were replying to was the kind of dismissal we want to avoid on HN, but we need you to avoid swipes like this on HN. The comment would been fine without that last line. Please try to observe the guidelines, especially these ones: Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Ed…

To be fair, the entirety of GP felt snarky to me, although I may be reading it wrong.

I agree, and I've penalized that comment.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by lmm »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #254
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #243

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Things have costs so we should be ok with a society where the wealthy exploit poor and desperate people?

Far too often I see someone stepping in to stop some "exploitation" and thereby making the poor/desperate people they were supposedly helping worse off.
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