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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by mathiaspoint »

lostlogin wrote: post #243
mathiaspoint wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people in charge are largely hated by the electorate. They won by default effectively due to a quirk of how UK elections work (which was less of a problem when the monarch/aristocracy was still involved to counter balance things like this, but now that that's gone the state is effectively out of control.) Unless by "democracy" you mean "sleepwalking administration everyone hates" the current UK government is unus…

> They won by default effectively due to a quirk of how UK elections work (which was less of a problem when the monarch/aristocracy was still involved to counter balance things like this, but now that that's gone the state is effectively out of control.) I’m reading this as you saying that the system is worse now that the monarchy and aristocracy have less power. Is that correct? If so, how do these unelected groups…

You have misread (in a very common way for, I believe, a very common reason.)

I said it's less democratic. That's not necessarily less bad unless you believe democracy is the ultimate measure of fitness for a state.

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Post by _mlbt »

jonplackett wrote: post #203
sunshine-o wrote: post #52

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This is the only power they have left. The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.

This is part of a wider trend of trying to solve real world problems with the stroke of a pen. It’s not going well.

Just give up a few more rights…for everyone’s safety. Think of the children!

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by charlieyu1 »

mathiaspoint wrote: post #175
lokar wrote: post #77

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While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.

The people in charge are largely hated by the electorate. They won by default effectively due to a quirk of how UK elections work (which was less of a problem when the monarch/aristocracy was still involved to counter balance things like this, but now that that's gone the state is effectively out of control.) Unless by "democracy" you mean "sleepwalking administration everyone hates" the current UK government is unus…

The electorate hated the politicians, then they still vote for the same guys. The general public doesn't care about politics, those who cared treats it like tribalism and don't want to learn what are actually happening, they don't want to think they only want to be told whatever feeding their brain chemistry.

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Post by saberience »

ramesh31 wrote: post #82
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #48

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https://mullvad.net/en/help/dns-over-https-and-dns-over-tls The iOS instructions are the most onerous (IMO) but still easy enough to follow. It's 15 minutes of fumbling around for the non-technical person, then they're protected. (Though, as others have pointed out, this is probably moot. The blocking is more effectively done by ISPs.)

>It's 15 minutes of fumbling around for the non-technical person, then they're protected. You and I have very different ideas of what "non-technical" means. If it involves anything beyond pressing "download" on the app store, it's out of reach of the vast majority of users.

Mulvad is totally non technical, you just download it and press “connect” and boom you’re on a vpn?

Is that really so complex the average person can’t do it? It’s less complex than sending an email.

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Post by hdgvhicv »

grues-dinner wrote: post #216
overfeed wrote: post #139

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2-party electoral systems (likely to bear >50% majority governments) are also not very democratic, in a way. There's no perfect system, but I prefer minority governments to a 2-party duopoly. YMMV.

The UK has been effectively a two party system anyway within living memory (Labour and Tories). Only rarely (e.g. 2010) does the token third party, the Lib Dems) get to be in coalition, and I think no one else has won anything since 1910. In a monkey's paw moment for everyone who dislikes only having effectively two parties to choose from, this may soon be changing as Reform is poised to overtake the Tories.

Technically 2017-19 was a minority government where a party in Northern Ireland sold its votes for about £100k/mp/vote to prop up May.

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Post by djrj477dhsnv »

Bender wrote: post #152
1gn15 wrote: post #145

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I frequent the NSFW boards and that doesn't seem to be the case? And if it is the case... I guess it's so undetectable that it doesn't matter anyway.

I doubt GPT is posting NSFW content. I think /b/ is mostly teen boys on the cell phones at school. Prior to 2012 it was diverse porn but then it started to lean heavily into gay porn. I don't know what to make of that. Perhaps Pornhub does not have enough gay porn and they are filling the void?

I don't see that much gay porn on there. The most popular threads seem to be teens that may or may not be 18, trans girls, chubby girls, and girls that you know personally. Then there's the AI porn which is often furry or children.

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Post by catsma21 »

bentlegen wrote: post #31
sunshine-o wrote: post #2

I assumed 4chan didn't exist anymore and it was renamed/replaced by another board... Great advertisement. The UK acts like a madman on fire trying to attack everybody.

It stopped being relevant because its content became acceptable on major social networks, beginning in late 2022.

there's more boards than just /b/

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Post by hdgvhicv »

jdietrich wrote: post #141
postexitus wrote: post #34

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For you - not for 99% of the public.

Millions of British people are already engaged in a cat-and-mouse game against online censorship, for one main reason - football (soccer). If you're a British football fan and want to watch every live televised match, you'll need to pay £75 a month for subscriptions to both Sky Sports and TNT Sports. That won't actually allow you to watch all of the matches that are played , because for weird historical reasons there…

£75 a month seems very reasonable for sports nerds, compared to the cost and availability in the past

People don’t want to ly for content, that’s as old as the hills.

I don’t do sport, and I wouldn’t fund such a terrible exploitative industry (televised sports is all about getting people hooked on gambling), but I’ve certainly spent that much for entertainment I do like in the past - and far more. A night at the theatre will cost a lot more than subscribing to all the sports channels. A weekly cinema visit too.

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Post by dmonitor »

okasaki wrote: post #236
ux266478 wrote: post #122

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Major social networks aren't even remotely close to being in the same niche. There are no algorithms, no friction with accounts, no obtrusive interfaces or feature bloat, no likes, no post ratings, content is completely ephemeral. This is a common and fundamental misunderstanding I see people make when trying to understand why 4chan exists. The people who post on 4chan aren't doing it because they can't help but post…

Actually 4chan does have accounts, otherwise you get extremely nasty captchas. Anyways, image boards are ephemeral because the devs were incompetent and cheap, it wasn't some genius design, or design at all.

the emergent behavior from ephemeral posting has become a feature by this point. and while it does technically have accounts, they don't at all work like a normal social media account. they aren't published, and using the "this is for sure me" tripcode feature is socially frowned upon.
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