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Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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I would love to know an alternative to that superbly integrated stack . [be aware that none of those tools require coding knowledge, nor any DB administration, nor scalability consideration. But for me the most important part is that the data workflow is not dataFrame driven, but semantic entity/relationship driven. Think of that as if you had an ORM magically wrapping your Spark cluster, and make it look like a grap…

> be aware that none of those tools require coding knowledge, nor any DB administration, nor scalability consideration. These are slogans with marketing grade truth, not engineering truth. The moment you leave the happy path wizards you run straight into Python, SQL, JVM knobs, and cluster limits. The visual Pipeline Builder drops you into a Code node the second you need anything beyond basic joins/filters. Here is a…

99% of our pipelineBuilders are purely based on the available building blocks [that cover most of PySpark functions: https://www.palantir.com/docs/foundry/pipeline-builder/funct...]. Most notably we do join/filters/explode/group, Dozens of them, realigning data from different parts of the company.

Having most of those PySpark functions exposed visually as building blocks with debug points available at each step simply outperforms a codeWorkbook in term of maintainability and readability.

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Wake me up when SAP provides productivity tools of the level of PalantirFoundry’s Pipeline Builder, Ontology Manager, Data Lineage and Workshop.

You are aware the product names are cognitive obfuscation that the underlying implementation is just vanilla open source data modeling services right? Linux. Windows. Both are "operating systems"? What actual novel data collating and anomaly detection algorithms does Palantir implement that no one else does? Oh that's right these services are all just different corporate branding atop the same old open source stacks…

I doubt anyone has the $$$ horsepower to maintain a coherent stack as big as Foundry. So in the makeOrBuy, you probably will go for a buy. And in that field, I still think SAP is way behind Palantir. Someone in the discussion mentionned IBM’s InformationServer, and I will spend some time to investigate its storage scalability strategy and the data model governance.

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Show me a fully graphical version controlled UI that hides PySpark behind visual widgets. Show me a entity-relationship model management [with version control] that wraps Spark data frames into a fully ontology-based graph database. Show me a low code/no code UI designer that is fully consuming the ontology layer abstracting your Spark dataFrames. #meWaiting

Yeah ok let me go expropriate other peoples systems. They exist but are used in house not sold as products. There are information theory texts with all these ideas written in them published back in the 1950s we just didn't have powerful enough computers Thiel and Musk's only advantage is age. They were able to implement first due to a single property of physics. Most "geniuses" today, like Tao, just like reading math…

I still wait for my list of immediately available products, so my company can escape the evilness [and overefficiency] of the PalantirFoundry stack.

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I'm really glad I don't know what any of those things are.

Ontologies, semantic relationships, data pipelines, data provenance (I suppose a.k.a. lineage), etc. are all things that quickly become familiar to anyone working on knowledge management. All of these things are pretty fascinating, as they concern the meta of the meta; the nature of knowledge itself; how to slice the ineffable reality into parts and how to communicate complex things to people. Many software engineers…

I definitely agree.

Two comments here:

- the real power of Foundry is that it is REALLY scalable. Palantir is selling all the knowledge management+data management that you mentionned BUT at a level of integration and scalability that I had never seen in any other product.

- someone in the discussions mentionned IBM InformationServer as an alternative. Functionnaly that sounds quite similar to Foundry. The question is whether the implementation choices are as clever as in Foundry. #toBeInvestigated

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That's not what Thiel said, and not what the parent poster said. How familiar are you with the writings of the founding fathers? The ones who very intentionally avoided creating a system based on direct democracy?

A few things: The founding fathers were often in their (often early) 20s. They were not infallible, nor was the system they created. That's why they created mechanisms for evolving that system. Except we rarely do. "But Constitutional Amendments", people say. Actually, one of the doctrines of the founding fathers was that the whole system should be reviewed, head to toe, every 10-20 years. Everything is very selectiv…

They certainly were not infallible, but the question is whether they were unwavering advocates for democracy.

All of the restrictions they put in place, such as the electoral college and who was able to vote at all, along with the writings we have, suggests as a group they were not.

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That's not what Thiel said, and not what the parent poster said. How familiar are you with the writings of the founding fathers? The ones who very intentionally avoided creating a system based on direct democracy?

A few things: The founding fathers were often in their (often early) 20s. They were not infallible, nor was the system they created. That's why they created mechanisms for evolving that system. Except we rarely do. "But Constitutional Amendments", people say. Actually, one of the doctrines of the founding fathers was that the whole system should be reviewed, head to toe, every 10-20 years. Everything is very selectiv…

> The founding fathers were often in their (often early) 20s.

The youngest delegate to the Constitutional convention was Johnathan Dayton of New Jersey, who was 26, and there were three more under 30. There were more over 60 than than under 30.

The people that are frequently cited as being "Founding Fathers" in their "early 20s" (or "between 19 or 21, because we're not sure exactly when he was born", in Hamilton's case) are people who were that age in 1776 and ended up playing an important role. But the Constitution was drafted more than a decade later -- there was a war, plus time under the first system of government under the Articles of Confederation in between.

> Actually, one of the doctrines of the founding fathers was that the whole system should be reviewed, head to toe, every 10-20 years.,

No, that was not a "doctrine of the founding fathers", it was a belief of Thomas Jefferson expressed later in a letter to, as I recall, John Adams, specifically (the upper limit of the period at which he held any law or constitution needed to expire was actually 19 years, based on actuarial data and a set of assumptions he had about what was necessary and acceptable in terms of avoiding the living being ruled over by the dead.)

You can tell it was not a widely held "doctrine of the founding fathers" (or, more to the point, of the Framers, who are the ones actually relevant to the Constitution, though the two groups have considerable overlap) because instead of expiring by its own terms in 19 years or less, the Constitution was permanent, with a very difficult method of amendment, and that method of amendment was specifically barred from changing certain parts.

There weren't really very many widely shared "doctrines" of the Founders or the Framers. They weren't a hive mind or a cult or even a group as ideologically aligned as the coalition that makes up either of the US's current major political parties. The idea of shared doctrines or a single unifying vision behind the Constitution are mythologies created after, and requiring deliberate disregard of, the facts.

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> They didn't ask you to define racism They raised the definition of racism by preemptively asserted that articles leveling “legitimate” accusations of racism wouldn’t count. For example, here’s an article trying to tie Trump’s growing support among minorities to “multiracial whiteness” and minorities “embrac[ing] white power movements.” From where I’m standing that sure seems like calling minority supporters of Trum…

Forgot link https://www.npr.org/2021/01/24/960060957/understanding-multi...

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> So we’re going to judge what’s “legitimately” racist through what Democrats think is racist? It’s like you’re trying to prove my point! Expanding the concept of “racism” to encompass unrelated beliefs and preferences is a liberal idea, and baked into almost everything NPR does Are you claiming that lying about Haitians eating pets to get people to vote for your anti-immigration platform isn't racist? How do you fig…

The traditional definition of “racism” focuses on treating individuals differently because of their immutable characteristics. Democrats have turned that concept on its head, to encompass opposing cultural change to a community from mass migration of people from foreign cultures. Regarding the specific example, the “food versus pet” distinction is a core one in any culture.[1] Vance’s story aptly illustrates the cult…

> Culture is a real thing that exists, and it’s okay to prefer your own!

Yes, it is. There is quite the leap from "preferring your own" to lying about a specific group are doing something morally objectionable, in order to reinforce your campaign's anti-immigration messaging, though.

And yes, it is racist to lie about a group of people you don't like to make them sound worse so that other people don't like them too.

Like it was racist when Nazis said that Jews control the world and ate children and whatever nonsense you can think of.

Targeting a specific group of people's immutable characteristics to slander them to paint them negatively fits your "original" definition of racism. The couch fucker treated them differently, by lying that they specifically are eating pets.

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> Didn't the Supreme Court, stacked by Republicans, decide that Presidents on official business are immune to prosecution, on a case against a Republican president? That's one massive check eviscerated for political reasons. The constitutional “checks and balances” are between the three branches. The prospect of the President being prosecuted by his own executive branch is not a “check” contemplated by the constituti…

They didn't ask you to define racism. They asked you to find sources for your claim, which you have conspicuously forgotten to include. It's a public source too, so it doesn't cost you anything to support your claim. Are you recalling something that actually exists, or trying to warp the narrative into whatever supports your perception?

> or trying to warp the narrative into whatever supports your perception

We all know the answer to that question, unfortunately.

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What conventional military capabilities? The Houthi's aren't sinking military ships, they're sinking unarmed, unarmored freighters in a stretch of water so narrow you could use a towed artillery gun to bullseye a freighter moving through it. The problem they're facing is they can't reduce that capability to zero without starting a half-dozen other wars to deal with a logistical supply chain.

Military capabilities: The anti-ship missiles, drones, fast attack craft, etc. that the Houthis have and continue to use offensively. > https://news.usni.org/2025/07/29/houthis-to-target-ships-in-... As for "they can't reduce that capability to zero," the CFR made the same point a little while back: https://www.cfr.org/blog/houthis-have-defeated-us-navy-or-wh... But it was turned around and reframed a little bit, whe…

The Houthis somewhat inconveniencing global shipping in a protracted conflict defined by "our available missiles are too expensive to be using against the targets being sent against us" and the US defending Taiwan from a seaborne land invasion which would require the bulk transit of men, vehicles and supplies across a narrow body of water are in no way equivalent scenarios.

The Houthis aren't invading or occupying anything they didn't already own. No one is trying to take it from them. They are an insurance risk.

China trying to invade and occupy Taiwan is an existential threat for the people of Taiwan, and the volume and value of materials and men China would have to move across the Strait of Taiwan would vastly exceed the value of the missiles which would be targeted against them (and in fact would be targeted more aggressively since the US in part avoids expending missiles so as to retain reserves against more serious opponents - in a straight up fight with China though, you'd be much more liberal in your targeting priorities), which is what the US Navy is built to do. A platform being vulnerable to some new tactic does not make the platform useless, and if a minor upgrade would fix it then it just means you're in a transition point. If laser-equipped American destroyers with fleets of mixed capability interceptor UAVs in 2 years time are ensuring nothing touches a ship in the Red Sea, your theory would be in immense trouble - and that technology isn't theoretical, it's being deployed right now.

But perhaps if you really want to consider the problem, then just take a look at what China is building: missile destroyers, submarines, aircraft carriers and stealth fighters. If all these things are so worthless and could not fight and defeat China, then why is China spending so much money trying to exactly replicate those capabilities if the future is all drones all the time or whatever other internet sensation of the moment (i.e. a year back when "the end of the tank was nigh" according to the internet).

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