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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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'Why are these people so upset I'm just bulldozing their home'

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Recently, the CBC was reporting on a realestate fair in a Canadian synagogue, where the only land on offer was illegally occupied land in the west bank.

Apparently, this is a thing at synagogues across the west.

Zionists, have made it clear for anyone paying attention, they intend to displace or exterminate every single Palestinian, to the person, to make way for zionist jews.

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Do you know the sheer number of countries that the religion behind Palestine (starting with I) invaded and occupied? They still have the fastest growing population, and based on their birth rate, they can in a few thousand years replace everyone else everywhere.

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In ideal world international peacekeeping forces would be deployed in Gaza. The peace and two state solution could only be enforced by imposing severe sanctions on Israel including possibility of aerial NATO strikes like in the former Yugoslavia.

> international peacekeeping forces

To the extent there is consensus among today’s superpower and regional powers, it’s that international peacekeepers don’t work. At best they delay while incubating a conflict.

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At the moment, the two sides only agree on wishing the other dead. So even in the ideal world it is a very remote possibility.

I also think we passed the window for a two state solution. Having two ethno-nationalist states next to each other is bad. Giving them a very complicated border is worse. Having them hate each other with centuries of history and territory claims is even worse still. Then giving them both, let alone one, access to the global arms market is asking for never ending wars of annihilation. If you could design a situation t…

> Having two ethno-nationalist states next to each other is bad. Giving them a very complicated border is worse

This is the history of the Levant going back millennia.

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Being armed is not a requisite. If anything being armed in that situation is incredibly stupid, because you'll still panic and now you're acting irrationally with a deadly weapon. The weapon can be used (as this example) or taken off you. I speak from experience, I got mobbed upon by a local gang, thought it would be smart to arm myself with a prop sword in order to stop them advancing. It didn't stop them, and in fa…

You brought a fake sword for protection?

No, I grabbed a fake sword as a deterrent, it was on hand.

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I also think we passed the window for a two state solution. Having two ethno-nationalist states next to each other is bad. Giving them a very complicated border is worse. Having them hate each other with centuries of history and territory claims is even worse still. Then giving them both, let alone one, access to the global arms market is asking for never ending wars of annihilation. If you could design a situation t…

It is unclear to me that Palestinians represent an “ethnonationalist” block. My understanding is that the definition of “Jewish” for the purposes of immigration to Israel is a somewhat precise combination of genealogical or religious criteria. But I don’t know of an equivalent definition for Palestinian. Can someone educate me on this? In the absence of such a definition, it seems that the primary conflict is whether…

Any ethnonationalist definition is inherently subjective and thus inherently fuzzy. It’s an exercise that derives from a time when some thought one could scientifically classify races.

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Israel is not only jews, israel represents genocidal ethno-religious fascist state backed by fascist zionists factions: christian, jewish, secular.

For the same reason Third Reich had no right to exist, Israel also lost its legitimacy.

Genocide has its consequences.

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I'm glad this is being discussed on HN instead of getting flagged. If we're intellectually curious, then we need to be curious about phenomena that defy explanation and events that may define the future course of our civiliazation. I think what's happening in Gaza/Palestine/Israel counts as both. It certainly defies explanation in my mind.

To me, simply labeling somone as "evil" not feels like a premature termination of the chain of causality, but also circular reasoning (Why does X do evil things? Because X is evil. Why is X evil? Because X does evil things). There has to be more to it than that.

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Zionism was founded as a secular ethno-nationalist movement and to this day your entitlement to Israeli citizenship depends on your ethnicity, not your religion. An atheist Jew is just as entitled to live in Israel as an ultra-orthodox one. One should point out that Palestinian terrorism was originally largely secular too, with the secular Marxist group PFLP ranking up the highest body count. The point being, this co…

This is somewhat confusing. If there were no religious component, why not declare all Palestinians “Jewish” and resolve the issues immediately?

My understanding is that ethnically Jewish individuals (ie who can trace their matrilineal genealogy to synagogue records in accepted orgs) who have converted to other religions are not entitled to the right of return?

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Bunch of racist Israeli hooligans that were thrown into the Amsterdam Canals got more outrage from the international media and diplomats than a livestreamed cold blooded murder by a terrorist. This is everything you need to know about the world we live in. Palestinian lives simply do not matter.

> Palestinian lives simply do not matter Lives in Palestine get far more attention than Burma, West Africa, Ethiopia and Sudan [1]. The basic truth is lives far removed from us tend to be forgettable. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_confli...

While we should absolutely be covering on-going civil wars and genocides across the world -- I personally listen to French news sources in order to understand what's going on across Africa -- the fact is that the US has provided Israel with over $300 billion since it's founding. For Sudan, that number is somewhere around $5 billion. So many of us here in the US are rightfully watching and questioning why our taxes are funding a genocide.
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