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Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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The huge positive publicity boost that Claude Code gained during its unlimited phase was surely easily worth the slight negative publicity it is getting now. This post is just marketing copy by a small competitior that can't afford to do the same thing.

> gained during its unlimited phase

It was never unlimited.

They never advertised unlimited usage. The Max plan clearly said it had higher limits.

This fabrication of a backstory is so weird. Why do so many people believe this?

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#252

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IMO Version Control, IDEs, and Stack Overflow are many degrees of magnitude more valuable than GPT tools. The use cases of these GPT tools are extremely limited. They demo well and are quite useful for highly documented workflows (E.G. they are very good at creating basic HTML/JS layouts and functionality). However, even the most advanced GPT tools fall flat on their face when you start working with any sort of bleed…

That is interesting, in my experience these tools work quite well on larger codebases but it depends how you use them and I haven't really found a counterexample. Do you maybe have a practical example, like a repo you could link that just doesn't work for AI?

Think larger codebases that do not involve node/npm...

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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I'm sure that is how many photographers felt about digital cameras and photo editing software when it first came. Now very few professional photographers work without digital cameras and photo editing software (even if it is just to tweak some colors). Yes, you will still have some artists making money with purely analog cameras without any touch up but they are a tiny minority of the photographers getting paid for t…

I'm sure that's how many laundry machine users felt when the tide pod first came out.

Now very few laundry doers measure out their detergent by hand.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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I disagree. While there are developers that truly build new technology and invent novel solutions, the overwhelming majority of developers who are paid for their work daily do pretty mundane and boring software development. They are implementing business logic, building forms, building tables, etc. And AI already excels at building those sorts of things faster and with cleaner code. I’ve never once seen a model gener…

I'm one working on novel tech, without AI. I've never been doing more valuable work or been more in command of my craft. Yet the blanket statement is that I will fail and be replaced, and in fact that people like me don't exist! So heck yeah I'll come clap back on that.

Right, I chose my words carefully when I said the "overwhelming majority" – and not "every single developer"

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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It's probably true in our industry too - I'm sure that when people started using programming languages instead of writing machine code people looked down on them too. This will be another abstraction layer that MANY people will use and be able to accomplish things that would have been impossible to do in a reasonable amount of time in machine code.

good think that those abstraction layer break all the time eg: javascript ecosystem

one thing about GPT users is they LOVE typing "npm install"

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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But "more productive" is a wording I also take issue with. Code is like law. The goal isn't to have a lot of it. Come to me when by "more productive" you actually mean that the person using the LLM deleted more lines of code than anyone else around them while preserving the stability and power of the system

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I thought you were supposed to be boosting AI?

Why are you so bitter?

You aren't going to sell any snake oil with this venomous strategy.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#258

why they didn't just limit 5% that doing 24/7 useless task to be on leaderboard burning token ???? why the whole users need to suffer???

The new limits should only affect that 5% I don’t know why you think everyone is going to suffer.

they are affecting everyone, if this only limit 5% abuser then the whole sub reddit wouldn't under fire yesterday

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#259

When you offer "unlimited", you're immediately exposing yourself to the 0.1% of userbase that will absolutely treat it is unlimited. Whale users/hoarders. This has been a known problem since the dawn of hosting...hell, it goes back to times before computers. One thing I miss for the other users, i.e. the casual users that never use anywhere near of their quota, is rollover. If you haven't used your quota this month,…

All-you-can-eat allowance at restaurans comes to mind

I went to a particular sports bar back in the day. They have "all you can eat ribs" plate. The first comes fully treated with sauce and is very, very delicious.

When you order the second plate, it comes without the sauce and it tastes flatter. You're filled at this point and you can't order the third.

Very creative and fun if you ask me. I was prepared for this though, because the people we went together said how it's going to go, exactly.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#260
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"I firmly believe that AI will not replace developers, but a developer using AI will replace a developer who does not." Ugh, anyone who says that and really believes it can no longer see common sense through the hype goggles. It's just stupid and completely 100% wrong, like saying all musicians will use autotune in the future because it makes the music better. It's the same as betting that there will be no new invent…

Do the people in this corner use compilers? Would they agree that programmers who don't use them* have been replaced by those that do? *: I'm aware of cases like the recent ffmpg assembly usage that gave a big performance boost. When talking about industrial trend lines, I'm OK with admitting 0.001% exceptions. (Apologies if it comes across as snarky or pat, but I honestly think the comparison is reasonable.)

the comparison is preposterous.
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