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Re: Brave blocks Microsoft Recall by default

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Post by louthy »

jancsika wrote: post #249
louthy wrote: post #195

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> The reliable way to do this (I found) is check the kernel source tree first Sure, in general that's good advice, but it becomes more complicated depending on the solution/situation... I’d bought the RME card long before I was hoping to make it work with Linux. I'd been running Windows for a long time for work reasons, so I had my dev work and my music setup on the same computer (a 64 core Threadripper machine, with…

> it cost $13467 to leave Windows I rather think it cost you $mac_mini to buy a mac mini, and $compulsion buying hardware for reasons I still do not understand. Paul Davis has lurked here at least as long as you have, and it would have cost $0 just to ask if that card is currently supported in Linux. I mean, for $13467 I bet I could buy a plane ticket to Shenzhen, hire a translator, and have them send an email to Col…

> Paul Davis has lurked here at least as long as you have, and it would have cost $0 just to ask if that card is currently supported in Linux

I didn’t need to ask him, I already owned it, I just needed to dual boot Linux to find out, it cost me $0.

You don’t seem to understand that a soundcard needs connecting to everything else in a studio, so there’s no such thing as just changing one thing and it not having a knock on effect (unless you’re really lucky, which I wasn’t).

You also don’t seem to know that once a setup is right, it can last a decade or more, so getting the right combo of gear to minimise friction in a studio is worth it over time, even if it is expensive upfront.

If it makes you feel a little less morally superior, I sold the original soundcard and the two replaced AD/DAs for ~$7200.

And, you still miss the point of the story completely: the point was that it’s too risky for anyone considering building a pro setup on Linux. Especially compared to Windows and macOS where everything is plug and play.

That doesn’t mean there aren’t pockets of success in Linux-land, but that it can be costly in money and time to get it right, and it might never work for the setup you have.

It is risk.

> for reasons I still do not understand.

That’s obvious.

But the reasons are:

* I wanted to move away from Windows because it was unstable and pissing me off

* I already owned a high-end PCI RME card that connected to three Ferrofish A32 Pro converters

* If I could install Linux and have the RME card work then I wouldn’t need to change my studio setup

* There’s no official or stable driver

* So, a change to the setup was required

* To try and future proof the setup I looked to modern protocols like Dante and AES67 as they are taking over pro studios and are much more flexible — I also thought there was a reasonable chance it would work on Linux

* I couldn’t get it working on Linux

* Time is not infinite

* Therefore I bought a Mac for audio

* To avoid the expense of a Mac Pro I had to switch from a PCI based soundcard to a USB based soundcard (which I could plug in to the Mac Mini)

* I still use Linux on the original machine (for dev work), but with a class compliant soundcard for casual use. It’s relatively trouble free, other than half of my usb ports don’t work, but you know, meh

* I haven’t needed to use Windows since. So I consider it a win.

Re: Brave blocks Microsoft Recall by default

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Post by RankingMember »

modzu wrote: post #179
RankingMember wrote: post #172

I hope Brave considers eventually removing the crypto aspect from their product, because once all that crap is turned off it's my preferred browser. Just hard to recommend to anyone not savvy enough to turn all the goofy stuff on their "new tab" page off.

just get a better new tab page: https://github.com/conceptualspace/yet-another-speed-dial

The problem is that needing to direct a non-techie to do this to "fix" something that shouldn't be broken immediately makes it fail the "grandma test".

Re: Brave blocks Microsoft Recall by default

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Post by int_19h »

eYrKEC2 wrote: post #127
999900000999 wrote: post #124

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Linux is great if you're hardware is supported. I've never been able to get Linux working right on one of my laptops, on another only rolling releases work. These rolling releases like to break every 3 to 6 months. Windows is much more stable on both laptops. With my mini PC eGPU combo Linux just won't recognize the eGpu at all.

This was true for me until ~2014. I haven't had substantial hardware compatibility issues on Ubuntu since then. Sure, a few google searches for the right nvidia driver, but otherwise I've found Ubuntu to just work for many years.

It's a lottery that largely depends on what exact hardware you have.

I have one machine that I can't even install Linux on because no Linux installer or live CD will even boot on it. No idea why, and I don't want to spend a lot of time and effort figuring that out given that it's my dedicated gaming box, a "PC console" basically.

OTOH I have a laptop that I specifically purchased to run Linux on it. Which it does, and all devices work just fine. The only catch is that battery life when browsing is about 20-30% less, and, as far as I can tell, this is entirely due to Linux browsers disabling video hardware acceleration by default on most configs. If I enable it, things get much better for the battery, but at the cost of an occasional browser crash.

Re: Brave blocks Microsoft Recall by default

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Post by int_19h »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #176
shevis wrote: post #82

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Gaming. Linux gaming has come a long way (especially thanks to the steam deck) but the vast majority of games are still only released on Windows.

That is certainly true, but they usually work fine on Linux thanks to Proton. I'm a big gamer and I've been primarily Linux (for gaming too) for something like 4 years now.

Not if you care about online gaming. Anti-cheat measures generally don't work well in Proton.

Re: Brave blocks Microsoft Recall by default

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Post by int_19h »

LooseMarmoset wrote: post #3

Who, exactly, is clamoring for Recall in the first place? And who is to say that Microsoft will honor the toggle, “for analytic and performance metric” purposes? EDIT: the rant above shouldn’t cast aspersions on Brave, good on them for trying.

The most interesting part of TFA is that Microsoft is apparently deliberately restricting the ability of apps to opt out:

> We were partly inspired by Signal’s blocking of Recall. Given that Windows doesn’t let non-browser apps granularly disable Recall, Signal cleverly uses the DRM flag on their app to disable all screenshots. This breaks Recall, but unfortunately also breaks the ability to take any screenshots, including by legitimate accessibility software like screen-readers. Brave’s approach does not have this limitation since we’re able to granularly disable just Recall; regular screenshotting will still work. While it’s heartening that Microsoft recognizes that Web browsers are especially privacy-sensitive applications, we hope they offer the same granular ability to turn off Recall to all privacy-minded application developers.

This is not the kind of thing you'd do if you expect app developers to be enthusiastic about the feature.

Re: Brave blocks Microsoft Recall by default

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Post by hodgehog11 »

poulpy123 wrote: post #219
hodgehog11 wrote: post #171

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I use both Windows and Linux, and while I agree with your first three points for specific proprietary software depending on your job, the last two seem a bit odd. I thought these are often considered advantages of Linux?

I know that my opinions on these 2 topics are controversial, but they come from decade to usage of both of them as end-user that just want to click and use. Moreover I think that not only windows' model is bad, and worse what makes it better than linux's model is the monopolistic and proprietary nature of windows. At first, comparing both model can be thought as a joke: on windows, discovery and installations are man…

I think I understand where you're coming from, since I used to feel the same way. For system packages, and for Windows installations, I also have plenty of nightmare stories across decades. I haven't had as many issues lately with Linux (running Fedora GNOME), while Windows has become even worse somehow. Flatpak and AppImages address these concerns to a large extent (but has its own problems with disk space, of course), but that's my experience anyway.

Re: Brave blocks Microsoft Recall by default

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Post by hodgehog11 »

__rito__ wrote: post #247
hodgehog11 wrote: post #161

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Pop is woefully out of date at this point due to the ongoing alpha development of COSMIC. I switched off because a whole bunch of Nvidia-related things started breaking. LTS doesn't seem ideal for Nvidia in my experience.

I just have seamless experience with Ubuntu. Wdym about LTS not being ideal for NVIDIA? The OS receives updates, NVIDIA drivers also do. What is the problem? Am I missing something?

The latest NVIDIA drivers (576+ I think?) are totally broken on Ubuntu 22.04 variants and seem to require 24+. That was my experience anyway, I tried everything I could to get it to work, but PopOS would never boot under those drivers unless I upgraded to the alpha builds on Ubuntu 24. Forced me to switch to Fedora in the end (I needed those drivers for work) which worked seamlessly.

Re: Brave blocks Microsoft Recall by default

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Post by wlesieutre »

pickledoyster wrote: post #201
hbn wrote: post #191

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My "favorite" tactless Windows update story in recent memory was when an update pinned a Copilot link to my taskbar. I unpinned it, then a few weeks later another update added the Copilot link back to my taskbar, but not as a pinned app. Rather it replaced the god damn "show desktop" button in the bottom right of the screen! They replaced an always on-screen OS navigation button that's been there since Windows 7 with…

> They replaced an always on-screen OS navigation button that's been there since Windows 7 with an ad!! That must be doing wonders for the click rate. I can see the pre-promotion powerpoint slide now: "User engagement with Copilot is showing exponential growth"

Promotions all around! Line goes up and all it cost was continuing to make even more of our customers hate our product and our company!

Re: Brave blocks Microsoft Recall by default

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Post by mmcnl »

Weryj wrote: post #95

It's wild that applications now need to defend themselves against OS 'features'.

They don't need to. It's performative virtue signalling. Recall is encrypted, opt-in and on-device. Apple Intelligence sends your personal data to the cloud and claims it's a feature and no one bats an eye.
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