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Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by Ray20 »

wiseowise wrote: post #123
v5v3 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia has a population of 144m. 1m is not a lot Edit: as per my comment below, casualties are not deaths. It's a wider definition.

It always surprises me when calculation is done on a basis of formula that goes something like this. Total population - Casualties = Number 1 million casualties is an absolutely massive number, regardless of your total population. How many of your fellow citizens would you be willing to throw into the meatgrinder until you say “that not ok”?

> How many of your fellow citizens would you be willing to throw into the meatgrinder until you say “that not ok”?

If you are Putin? All of them. So yes, Putin is winning, he hasn't even used up 10% of his army's acceptable losses yet.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by sleepyguy »

725686 wrote: post #225
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #206

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Short version: Possibly the worst thing to be raided for: distribution of CSAM. Apparently based purely on the 'evidence' of my IP address being on some list - that's the only explanation I ever got. Funny thing is, they did so little background research they didn't even know to expect kids in the house when they raided at 6:30am. It still triggers me. This was in August 2022. I wrote pages and pages of my memories a…

In the USA? Where you can be sued if someone slips on your sidewalk? Can't you sue the gvmt?

The government has endless resources; you would go bankrupt unless a law firm saw a huge payout in taking your case. The system is rigged in favor of the government. They could have burned down his house and the neighbor's house, and not been responsible. Land of the free, God Bless America......

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by skrebbel »

joules77 wrote: post #30
skrebbel wrote: post #10

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Russia has shown to be plenty resilient across the board. I find it hard to assume anything different here.

It's not called Resilience if you pick on someone weaker. Western support to Ukraine has been a real joke - https://carnegieendowment.org/europe/strategic-europe/2025/0...

Fwiw I actually agree with you. My point is that early in the war, it was commonly thought that just the western sanctions alone would totally cripple the Russian economy. Or that they'd soon run out of arms, or anything like that. None of that happened. It's not pro-Russian to establish that they were more resilient than what many people anticipated/hoped. This doesn't take anything away from Ukraine's resilience in the face of years of obscene unwarranted aggression which is easily 10x more impressive to me.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

725686 wrote: post #225
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Short version: Possibly the worst thing to be raided for: distribution of CSAM. Apparently based purely on the 'evidence' of my IP address being on some list - that's the only explanation I ever got. Funny thing is, they did so little background research they didn't even know to expect kids in the house when they raided at 6:30am. It still triggers me. This was in August 2022. I wrote pages and pages of my memories a…

In the USA? Where you can be sued if someone slips on your sidewalk? Can't you sue the gvmt?

Australia.

We looked into anything that could be done to minimise the chances of such a thing happening to innocent parties, but the only option was to make a complaint about an individual officer. There's no (easy, obvious) way to question the system they use to determine "validity" of raids or due diligence prior to requesting a warrant, or evidence required to justify a warrant.

The whole thing just felt to me like it was blindly rubber stamped all the way through because "protect the children". Pity my daughter was a child and absorbs such experiences... My son was also a child, but he's less affected by such things.

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

tastyfreeze wrote: post #220
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Short version: Possibly the worst thing to be raided for: distribution of CSAM. Apparently based purely on the 'evidence' of my IP address being on some list - that's the only explanation I ever got. Funny thing is, they did so little background research they didn't even know to expect kids in the house when they raided at 6:30am. It still triggers me. This was in August 2022. I wrote pages and pages of my memories a…

Where you actually charged and prosecuted for anything or did they just steal your gear without due process?

They had a warrant for the raid. Or at least they showed me a piece of paper, but my mind was so thrown that I literally couldn't read it (I've never experienced such a thing before or since - I literally couldn't make out letters on the page, such was my state of shock at the time).

I wasn't arrested or charged, they found nothing of what they were looking for on the multi terabytes of disks they seized. No further action other than the raid.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by SJC_Hacker »

Ray20 wrote: post #218
joules77 wrote: post #30

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It's not called Resilience if you pick on someone weaker. Western support to Ukraine has been a real joke - https://carnegieendowment.org/europe/strategic-europe/2025/0...

To be fair, it is quite difficult to support a regime where random people are grabbed off the streets and sent to their deaths. Where for expressing oppositional opinions your male relatives will have their door kicked down and will be sent to an assault on enemy position with a 90% mortality rate. And if they survive that - to another one just like it. To support a regime that has no long-term plan and goals for wag…

I'm a big supporter of Ukraine, but let's be honest

People aren't being dragged off the streets in Russia. This was briefly true in mid-late 2022 when they flirted with a partial mobilization, but hasn't been true for a while.

This is (sadly) actually more true in Ukraine. But there's also some nuance there - they can stop and question but supposedly they technically can't use physical force anymore.

What Russia is doing is increasing the bonuses and salary for signing a contract. And they don't have manpower problems for the most part - Ukraine is the one having that problem.

Now the Russian military is doing alot of shady shit, like promising recruits they won't be sent to Ukraine or would serve only in rear areas (even the US military recruiters were frequently guilty of this tactic). Classifying certain infantry units as "disposable" (especially foreign recruits and those from less politically unimportant regions), basically to be used as bait in assaults. And I'm sure the pressure for the required conscripts every year to sign a regular contract so they can be deployed is quite great, but its nothing like what some would have us believe.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by CapricornNoble »

b112 wrote: post #194
CapricornNoble wrote: post #120

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> With more than 1.2M dead or out of service injured, Russia is spent > All they can effectivley do, until they grow new soldiers, is defense. I'm genuinely curious what your information diet/sources looks like that would lead you to make such statements. According to Ukrainian sources , Russian end strength in Ukraine continues to increase and they are maintaining a strategic reserve of personnel as well: https://ky…

They had to withdraw from Syria, due to a loss of ability to project power. That's how desperate they are for troops. They removed troops, planes, closed bases. Almost immediately Syria fell. Israel and the US's stance with Iran, was something not as plausible when Russian strength existed in the region. Russia complained and threatened, but naturally nothing has come of it. They have no capacity to do anything, or p…

> They removed troops, planes, closed bases. Almost immediately Syria fell.

This has more to do with the Syrian military being completely starved of resources, particularly money, due to the US occupying the most lucrative portions of sovereign Syrian territory for years. Not having Russian airpower on call absolutely contributed to the collapse but not being able to reliably pay/staff formerly-capable formations like the Tiger Forces or 4th Armored Division (in addition to not being able to afford reconstruction) is what really did the regime in. Watch this from 2019:

https://www.youtube.com/live/MFsFOS5Odno?si=xry8-a2_cKLIRKW-...

>This is doubly unfortunate for Russia, as Iran was, I repeat was sending massive amounts of shells, drones, and more to Russia. For some odd reason, they've stopped (sarcasm).

The Russians have been domestically mass producing their versions of the Shahed-series drones for a while now. Interruptions in arms transfers due to Iran's own security problems are unlikely to significantly degrade Russia's drone salvos at this point.

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/55948 The organization calculated that Russia produced an average of 60.5 Geran drones per day, or roughly 1,850 drones per month, between February and April 2025.

https://www.calibredefence.co.uk/shahed-and-geran-the-evolut... Over time, a separate version emerged which is known as the Geran-2, which is the name given to Shaheds made in Russia. Russia now makes hundreds of these drones every week, enabling it to increase its usage to 200 per week in September 2024, and then to 1,000 per week by March 2025.

> They need troops in country, or there will be a revolt within.

Who do you think will stage a revolt, with both Navalny and Prigozhin dead? There's not really any charismatic opposition leadership left that I can think of.

> They have lost their capacity to project power

Ok, I will compromise and largely agree with this statement in broad strokes. Yes, Russia's power projection capacity has diminished. That's a very different position IMO compared to "Russia can only do defense" as you stated earlier....while Russia has ~600,000 men busy invading the largest country in Europe after Russia itself. Their global power projection capacity is degraded because so much of their attention is sucked into fighting the largest land war in Europe in 80 years, but that's not the same as only being able to defend.

> Hiring mercenaries (in the article aka contract soldiers) from anywhere including China, isn't the same as getting seasoned, loyal troops.

Without going too far off on a tangent, this also applies to Ukraine (regarding loyalty...Colombians are definitely considered "seasoned" as far as international mercenaries go).

https://www.nzz.ch/english/discharged-by-their-own-countrys-...

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2025/06/04/iowa...

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by chii »

axus wrote: post #248
nkrisc wrote: post #207

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Because that would still be a disproportionate response and make NATO the aggressor, playing right into Russian hands. The Russian military is already being destroyed in Ukraine (and even in Russia). The proportionate response is to give Ukraine everything they need to destroy Russia in a war that Russia chose to start. A war that they opened with a surprise invasion, no less. They are unambiguously the aggressor in…

NATO attacking Russia would definitely not be playing into Russia's hands. Very bad for Russia, very costly for NATO, long war would make the voters unhappy, and India and China would feel rightly threatened. Russian and Ukrainian militaries are being destroyed, but it also matters how fast they are being rebuilt. As mentioned above, Russia and Ukraine are debugging all their outdated military doctrines. The survivor…

> The survivors will have a lot of hard-won experience.

the west would not want russia to be that survivor.

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Post by sitkack »

simonw wrote: post #195
hu3 wrote: post #102

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This is why documenting is so crucial. Even on a software architecture level. A few months from now, I'd love to have written down decisions for my current project: - Why did I decided to use Kysely over Drizzle, Knex, Prisma, TypeORM or other ORM/SQL tool? - How am I going to do migrations? - Why am I using one of Deno/Bun over sticking to nodejs? - Why did I structure the project as a directory per feature over con…

I use GitHub Issues for this. It works so well - any time I make a decision I drop a comment on the relevant issue (often formatted as "Decision: ..."). Now they are archived, searchable, accessible via API and easy to navigate to from my source code because my commits all reference the issue number that relates to the change.

What do you use for archiving github issues?

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by littlestymaar »

lnsru wrote: post #2

Working for a company in Germany which is planing production 3 months in advance using printed Excel sheets. The migration of ERP system gone wrong and nobody knows how to fix it. Production management tries to hide this fact and does not talk to the engineering department. This will go for years, consultants will gather their fees for non functional system. Obviously IT infrastructure is not needed for manufacturing…

Reminds me of the Louvois[1] disaster in the French armed forces, they fucked the payment system so bad they had to roll back to manual accounting for a moment. Yes, for the whole French Army, which was at the time involved in multiple foreign operations…

[1]: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logiciel_unique_%C3%A0_vocatio...

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