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Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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Re: Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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Your response is entirely composed of of irrelevant statements, logical fallacies, and emotional outbursts when you can't muster up a fallacy. Statements like "your position of wanting to be allowed to dehumanize people will lose" indicate a chronic inability to actually think like a rational being - you're ruled by your emotions. You should work on being able to control your emotions rather than believing that your…

> indicate a chronic inability to actually think like a rational being - you're ruled by your emotions. You should work on being able to control your emotions rather than believing that your emotional outbursts make you not wrong. What are you, one of the LessWrong rationalists? You need to re-read your sequences, emotions aren't inherently irrational. I do find it funny that you seem to think you aren't expressing a…

You clearly did not read my suggestion to not respond until you'd gained a minimum amount of logical competence and emotional maturity.

> What are you, one of the LessWrong rationalists?

OK, so you don't comprehend the purpose of logic in society.

> emotions aren't inherently irrational

Factually incorrect. Emotions are irrational. This is objectively true. When you feel an emotion, a physically and spatially different part of your brain is being activated than when you think logically. You might be thinking that some emotions are justifiable - and some of them are. But that's not the point I was making, so that would be irrelevant - the point I was making is that you think that your emotional outbursts are equivalent to making a reasoned argument.

There's no point in continuing this. You appear to physically be unable to avoid responding emotionally, to the point where you don't even understand the difference between emotion and logic, or the purpose and necessity of thinking rationally in society - and you're proud that you don't.

Re: Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

#252

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Huh. It takes a special kind of person to respond to "my IRL friends credibly fear being disappeared by the government" with a sneer of "lol reddit". Man, I am glad I am not that person.

Credibly? Are they illegal immigrants with criminal records? If not, do they also walk around in crippling fear of car crashes, fatal falls, aneurysms, choking, drowning, anaphylaxis, cardiac arrest, or a thousand other things orders of magnitude more likely to happen to them? Which assumes for a moment that the odds of what you think is happening outside of human error is non-zero. The fact is your view of reality i…

Hmm. Responding to "the government is kidnapping people off the street with no due process or recourse, and my friends are desperately afraid their spouses will be taken." with a sneering "yeah but what about all the other ways to die" is certainly _a_ choice, but not one I would ever make.

Most people aren't the type to watch The Great Escape or Bridge over the River Kwai and cheer for the camp guards. It's very brave of you.

Re: Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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It's just a pile of statistics. It isn't acting like a feeling thing, and telling it "do this or people will die" doesn't actually do anything. It feels like it does, but only because humans are really good about fooling ourselves into seeing patterns where there are none. Saying this kind of prompt changes anything is like saying the horse Clever Hans really could do math. It doesn't, he couldn't. It's incredibly si…

> "do this or people will die" doesn't actually do anything The very first message you replied to in this thread described a situation where "the prompt with the threat gives me 10% more usable results". If you believe that the premise is impossible I don't understand why you didn't just say so. Instead of going on about it not being a reliable method. If you really think something is impossible, you don't base your…

Nah, you're managing to miss the point going both ways lol. It's both.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that your statement is true, that you do, in fact, somehow get 10% more useful results.

The two points are:

1. That doesn't make the system better in any way lol. You've built a tool that acts like a slot machine and only works if you get three cherries. Increasing the odds on cherries doesn't change the fact that using a slot machine as a UI is a ridiculous way to work.

2. In the real world, LLMs don't think. They do not use logic. They just churn out text in non-deterministic ways in response to input. They are not reliable and cannot be made so. Anybody who thinks they can is fooling / Clever Hansing themselves.

The point here is you might feel like the system is 10% more useful, but it feels like that because human brains have some hardware bugs.

Re: Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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Cool post. One thing that rubbed me the wrong way: Their response was better than 98% of other companies when it comes to reporting vulnerabilities. Very welcoming and most of all they showed interest and addressed the issues. OP however seemed to show disdain and even combativeness towards them... which is a shame. And of course the usual sinophobia (e.g. everything Chinese is spying on you). Overall simple security…

> And of course the usual sinophobia

This is factually not sinophobia, by the literal definition of it - "prejudice, hatred, hostility, and discrimination that is directed towards Chinese people or Chinese culture"

This tactic is straight out of the PRC influence playbook, badly breaks the HN guidelines, is extremely anti-intellectual and profoundly uninteresting. Please don't do it.

Re: Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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Are people going to die if your AI generates an orange cat? If so, reconsider. If not, it's beside the discussion.

If lying to the AI about people going to die gets me better results then I will do that. Why shouldn't I?

Let me clarify: If the AI isn't doing something life or death, then it's beside _this thread's_ discussion. Prompt however you want for recreational cat photo generation.

Re: Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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To be even more pedantic, it's also not present on Android.

Good points, I've been out pedantic-ed!

not if you fork an open source os and add /etc/passwd you haven't been

Re: Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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> indicate a chronic inability to actually think like a rational being - you're ruled by your emotions. You should work on being able to control your emotions rather than believing that your emotional outbursts make you not wrong. What are you, one of the LessWrong rationalists? You need to re-read your sequences, emotions aren't inherently irrational. I do find it funny that you seem to think you aren't expressing a…

You clearly did not read my suggestion to not respond until you'd gained a minimum amount of logical competence and emotional maturity. > What are you, one of the LessWrong rationalists? OK, so you don't comprehend the purpose of logic in society. > emotions aren't inherently irrational Factually incorrect. Emotions are irrational. This is objectively true. When you feel an emotion, a physically and spatially differe…

Your suggestion is as a blind man suggesting others close their eyes to see better.

Your pretending to be Spock is a character flaw, not something that makes you superior.

I hope you figure this out for yourself one day! I feel for people that have to deal with your emotionally stunted behavior irl.

It makes you irrational.

Re: Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

#259

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You clearly did not read my suggestion to not respond until you'd gained a minimum amount of logical competence and emotional maturity. > What are you, one of the LessWrong rationalists? OK, so you don't comprehend the purpose of logic in society. > emotions aren't inherently irrational Factually incorrect. Emotions are irrational. This is objectively true. When you feel an emotion, a physically and spatially differe…

Your suggestion is as a blind man suggesting others close their eyes to see better. Your pretending to be Spock is a character flaw, not something that makes you superior. I hope you figure this out for yourself one day! I feel for people that have to deal with your emotionally stunted behavior irl. It makes you irrational.

Your response merely confirms my observations. You are incapable of using high-school level logic, both in the sense that you cannot use logic correctly, and in the sense that you're unable to prevent your emotions from taking precedence, and even worse, you don't understand the purpose of logic, and faced with someone who can apply logic, you are unable to respond logically, and merely lash out emotionally.

>> What are you, one of the LessWrong rationalists?

> Your pretending to be Spock is a character flaw, not something that makes you superior.

You continue your trend of being unable to come up with any good arguments, and resorting to base character attacks that don't even have any meaning, and (amusingly) aren't even accurate. I'm obviously not pretending to be Spock - I'm not speaking in Vulcan or making other Star Trek references, and I'm capable of feeling emotion. That's a pretty pathetic attempt to try to paint the fact that I'm capable of using logic as somehow a character flaw or a weakness - you can't even make a correct analogy to pop culture!

Because you know what one of the differences between humans and animals is? Humans are capable of restraining themselves from acting based on their emotions, and applying logic to determine what a reasonable way to respond is. Being a slave to your emotions makes you like an animal, not a human. It's not a virtue - it's dehumanizing.

> It makes you irrational.

OK, so you just claimed that trying to make you rational makes you irrational, which is factually false, and clearly you literally don't even know the definition of what it means to be rational. That would explain why you're having so much trouble. Go look it up[1]. You've been the exact opposite of rational this whole conversation - not only are you incapable of correctly applying logic (given that every single thing that you've seen that isn't just an emotional outburst has either been a fallacious inference or factually false), but most of the time you don't even try and just fall back on emotion, thinking that it somehow makes you right or proves your point.

People like you are not a good fit for society. The reason why civilization exists is because people are capable of feeling a feeling, then restraining themselves from acting on it emotionally and using their reasoning skills to determine how they should actually act - which is what I'm doing. You're doing the opposite - you're just acting based on emotion. That leads to barbarism and chaos, and destroys civilizations.

Sure, I'm emotionally immature. I'll admit that, I'm not proud of it, and I'm actively working on improving it. But you're the polar opposite - your condescending statements about people who try to act reasonably (like LessWrong denizens and Spock) prove that you're proud that you're not capable of controlling your emotions.

You should think about the fact that civilization came about, and is sustained, by people capable of using their brains over their feelings (even if they're emotionally immature, like me), and is destroyed by people acting like you.

I suggest not responding unless you can make a logically valid point. You haven't made a single one so far, in this entire thread. Your most recent response doesn't even have fallacies in it - just emotion and falsehoods.

I've given up on you being able to convince you of the fundamentally wrong way that you think - it's clear that you're so carnally driven that unless there's a catastrophic event in your personal life, you're not going to change. At this point, this thread just serves as documentation for future readers that those who claim to be against "hate speech" are unable to use logic to either define what that means or make any convincing arguments around it, and are controlled by their emotions. Are you sure you want to add further evidence onto the massive pile that already exists?

[1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rational

Re: Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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You don't feel there's a difference between a State banning criticism of the State, and a State passing anti-hate speech laws to protect people from, e.g., nazis?

Hate speech laws are totally a political tool. They are asymmetric in favor of certain communities. The same way that “making LLMs safe” or “neutral” is actually a way to inject an ideology. Look into France, which case can lead you to jail: Criticize islam: risk of jail Criticize white: ok Criticize black: risk of jail Glorify nazis: risk of jail Glorify soviets: ok Quite the reflection of influence if one side is f…

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