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U.S. Chemical Safety Board could be eliminated

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Post by const_cast »

hliyan wrote: post #126

I think we will soon have to confront serious, real world proof that an unregulated free market is not ultimately self-regulating. Control systems without upper bounds (e.g. shareholder value / profit maximization ) are prone to feedback loops and oscillations. And an oscillating system cannot be judged in its entirety during an upward cycle alone (20th century). Going one level of abstraction higher: there is no evi…

We already have real-world proof of this which is why regulations were slowly (and bloodily) introduced in the first place.

It's the same tragedy of the commons we see with vaccinations. Vaccinations work, so we then forget why we had them in the first place, so then we think "well... what if we just stop?"

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Post by esseph »

ordu wrote: post #240
esseph wrote: post #145

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Brilliant people make absolutely stupid decisions all the time - thinking you're not going to is the trap. It's not possible you could get caught in bullshit you _want_ to believe and _know_ is right, yeah? You and everybody else buddy.

I'm going to explain my views on this in a full. It is a lot of text, but I hope it is ok. People don't have an innate ability to distinguish truths from lies, they need to learn this skill. Before Internet and LLMs they were relying on authorities to dictate what was truth and what was falsehoods. Those authorities included newspapers and other media, but there were also courts, government officials, politicians and…

"Your overconfidence will be your undoing."

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Post by immibis »

PicassoCTs wrote: post #167
heavyset_go wrote: post #65

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> I think this is pretty consistent with the old school 1950s views of the current administration. The effects are functionally the same, but I think the ideology and rhetoric behind then and now have changed. There really isn't a purportedly "principled" system of logic behind these decisions, in the past these decisions would be dressed in principled rhetoric no matter how heinous they realistically were. They aren…

The ideology of "infinite growth" is driving on bare metall by now, every movement proofing more and more, that it has used it all up, the momentum, the resources, the people who belief in its tale. The building up backlash is going to be horrific and i hope it will not lead to decomplexification movements ala pol pot or islamism.

Is THIS not the decomplexification movement?

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Post by gottorf »

sorcerer-mar wrote: post #32
gottorf wrote: post #23

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> public institutions of enormous importance A case of the baby getting thrown out with the bathwater, I suppose. And make no mistake: there was enough dirty bathwater to go around.

Okay, I won't make a mistake if you show me the evidence.

No, when it comes to spending taxpayer money, the onus is on the one who wants to spend more to show that it would lead to better outcomes. Federal expenditure per capita is nearly $20k/yr now, more than triple what it was 50 years ago in real terms. And that's not counting state and local expenditure. I haven't seen any evidence that if we paid even more, life would be better.

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Post by nopelynopington »

I hope someone is keeping a list of all these crazy rollbacks so the next democrat administration (assuming there is one dun-dun-dun etc) can be held accountable for not rolling back the rollbacks.

Even if they do I'm worried that this kind of sabotage of progress will become the new norm, with each subsequent administration undoing everything the previous one did as standard, and going even further to appease the extremists.

I know this has always happened to some degree with executive orders (the was a great tradition of presidents signing all sorts of crazy stuff just so the next guy would have to undo it and look bad) but it seems nuclear now (sometimes literally)

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Post by rurban »

drjolly wrote: post #16

I think this is pretty consistent with the old school 1950s views of the current administration. Companies can prioritize profits over people again. Yeah, dump in the rivers, dump in the woods, just drive around in circles dumping in an empty lot. You don’t need masks- give everyone cancer and blow some shit up, maybe get some acid burns. Super-fund sites? When was the last one we had anyway- we need more of ‘em- lot…

Just charge them with murder and those practices will stop.
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