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Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by vkou »

bdangubic wrote: post #243
vkou wrote: post #201

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Easily. The alternatives are also probably up to the same sketchy shit, so your choices are to be a hermit, or accept that your services will spy on you. If you want to participate in society, you have to either trust a very large list of untrustworthy people... Or acknowledge that they are untrustworthy, and mitigate accordingly. Part of that mitigation is accepting the possibility that if the Mossad want to murder…

don’t use any alternatives. I have been off social media for years now and my life and health and relationships and career and … have improved so much I cannot put it in words. even if one says “well that’s crazy, I must get my dopamine through an “app” on my phone meta is on another level of insanity to even consider infesting your life and especially your loved one’s life

Sure, I can also avoid putting chemicals on my body by washing my hair with apple cider vinegar and baking soda, and I can also churn my own butter by hand, and if mom wants to hear from me, she can cross an international border and drive for five hours, with her travels being logged by countless security and traffic cameras, gas station payment processors, and no less than two governments, so that she can converse with me in person in my RF-shielded, copper-lined[1] Faraday-cage basement.

There's social media use and there's social media use. Hacker News, Reddit, Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp, EMail, and my phone's SMS systems all serve dramatically different purposes, and all of them are a varied mix of pros and cons and risks.

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[1] Any Arcanist worth his salt knows that copper has no name, and thus cannot be turned against you.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by vkou »

bdangubic wrote: post #244
x0x0 wrote: post #216

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Signal lagged so far in polish and features that getting friends and family to use it was doa. So I can choose to communicate with friends and family on the apps they use, or I make it very difficult for them to communicate with me. That ends with them mostly not communicating with me, not with them switching apps.

don’t your friends and family have phone numbers? I have right now 12 active groups on my text messages. why on earth do you need “app”??! I am lost …

You're using a telephone to call and message people?

If you think that your phone provider isn't spying on you, I would like to cut you into an incredible, once-in-a-lifetime investment opportunity in some Louisiana waterfront property.

All I need is your phone number, mother's maiden name, ...

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by worik »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #241
whatshisface wrote: post #155

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You may know more about this than I do, but what happened in Iraq was that the first military governor held together the same people who were under Saddam in a semi-stable arrangement, but was replaced with someone else that had instructions from Washington to conduct "De-Ba'athification," for some reason. This lead quickly to the collapse of the state due to the persecution of everyone who had any authority, and the…

i don't get that. Saddam Hussain was a genocidal, fascist lunatic. The world is certainly a better place with him gone. Even if America didn't handle the subsequent occupation too well, i would argue (and you are free to disagree) that Iraq was still better off. But an American occupation isn't even on the table. Nobody is interested in that. The most anyone wants at the moment is for the US to drop a MOAB on fordo a…

> Saddam Hussain was a genocidal, fascist lunatic.

Yes.

> The world is certainly a better place with him gone. Even if America didn't handle the subsequent occupation too well, i would argue (and you are free to disagree) that Iraq was still better off.

That is mad talk. Things have been much worse, so much worse for almost everyone in and around Iraq since that war.

ISIS for one thing, was a direct result of the perfidious actions of foreigners in Iraq.

So much chaos was created, there is no way the invasion of Iraq improved the world

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by tguvot »

lenerdenator wrote: post #237
anon291 wrote: post #204

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I'm not sure why we should be 'fine' with people existing in their pre-1967 borders. I'm not advocating any military action, but the idea that we should just shrug while a great classical civilization's entire history and archaeology are being held hostage by iconoclastic religious zealots is not something any humanitarian should just shrug at.

It’s a reference to borders that do not include Gaza, the Golan Heights, or the West Bank. It’s likely that any two-state solution to the Israel-Palestine crisis would roughly look like how things were before the Six-Day War. However, I’m getting more at the fact that Iran is unwilling to accept a two-state solution because necessarily, one of those two states would be Israel.

so, gaza is going back to egypt and everybody is locked there behind fence. and west bank is annexed by jordan ?

sounds good

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by bdangubic »

lukan wrote: post #246
bdangubic wrote: post #236

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I have same situation and: - tell parents and teachers I can be reached at xxx-xxx-xxxx if they need anything - absolutely never had meta-requirement to volunteer. if I did I would 100% know my time there is better spent elsewhere I am not going to suggest you anything except to tell you that you can live a beautiful live outside of the meta-world. it is super easy

"I am not going to suggest you anything except to tell you that you can live a beautiful live outside of the meta-world. it is super easy" Great it is super easy for you, but why do you think your individual experience is valid for other people (who might be thousands of km away in a very different setting)?

it may not be but I’ve also heard this excuse a million times before. and whatever the situation is meta products can be avoided. we just have a tendency to give into “hey, we have WhateverSupApp group, why don’t you just install garbage on your phone to be a member of this cool group… thanks, but no thanks :)

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Post by mousethatroared »

Cheer2171 wrote: post #218
bdangubic wrote: post #164

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I will never understand how anyone in their right mind can use any product owned by Meta…

Because the entire rest of society has wrapped itself around Facebook, Whatsapp, and Instagram. It is easy to be a free software purist until you need to know if your child's school has a snow day. Websites and mailing lists are dead. I cannot be involved in my child's school or any of the informal social networks around the parents and teachers without using Meta's platforms. I cannot volunteer at a non-profit I car…

No, it's because people don't care.

I have three kids. Sure it's not easy, buying used local things is basically impossible, but it's not terribly hard. You just work around it

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Post by [deleted] »

solardev wrote: post #221
Cyph0n wrote: post #182

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Only because a select few people had the balls to blow the whistle. Imagine if Snowden decided to just do his work and move on? How much longer would it have taken for these facts to be revealed to the public?

Even after we found out, nobody cared...

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Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by bdangubic »

vkou wrote: post #251
bdangubic wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

don’t use any alternatives. I have been off social media for years now and my life and health and relationships and career and … have improved so much I cannot put it in words. even if one says “well that’s crazy, I must get my dopamine through an “app” on my phone meta is on another level of insanity to even consider infesting your life and especially your loved one’s life

Sure, I can also avoid putting chemicals on my body by washing my hair with apple cider vinegar and baking soda, and I can also churn my own butter by hand, and if mom wants to hear from me, she can cross an international border and drive for five hours, with her travels being logged by countless security and traffic cameras, gas station payment processors, and no less than two governments, so that she can converse w…

this is too funny how you mind believes social media is “advancement in society” of any kind… don’t blame you though, you are with the majority (and you know what they say when you are… :) )

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by bdangubic »

vkou wrote: post #252
bdangubic wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

don’t your friends and family have phone numbers? I have right now 12 active groups on my text messages. why on earth do you need “app”??! I am lost …

You're using a telephone to call and message people? If you think that your phone provider isn't spying on you, I would like to cut you into an incredible, once-in-a-lifetime investment opportunity in some Louisiana waterfront property. All I need is your phone number, mother's maiden name, ...

sure, NSA might be :) but not Meta…

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by vkou »

bdangubic wrote: post #258
vkou wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, I can also avoid putting chemicals on my body by washing my hair with apple cider vinegar and baking soda, and I can also churn my own butter by hand, and if mom wants to hear from me, she can cross an international border and drive for five hours, with her travels being logged by countless security and traffic cameras, gas station payment processors, and no less than two governments, so that she can converse w…

this is too funny how you mind believes social media is “advancement in society” of any kind… don’t blame you though, you are with the majority (and you know what they say when you are… :) )

I believe nothing of the sort about social (or mass) media.

I do, however, believe that you aren't engaging with what I'm saying, or recognizing some very obvious logical holes in your arguments. Your argument seems to be one of dogma, not one of reason.

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