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Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by pjmlp »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #192
dedicate wrote: post #19

Okay, the AI stuff is cool, but that "Containerization framework" mention is kinda huge, right? I mean, native Linux container support on Mac could be a game-changer for my whole workflow, maybe even making Docker less of a headache.

The ground keeps shrinking for Docker Inc. They sold Docker Desktop for Mac, but that might start being less relevant and licenses start to drop. On Linux there’s just the cli, which they can’t afford to close since people will just move away. Docker Hub likely can’t compete with the registries built into every other cloud provider.

That is why they are now into the reinventing application servers with WebAssembly kind of vibe.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by timsneath »

mmcnl wrote: post #122
dedicate wrote: post #19

Okay, the AI stuff is cool, but that "Containerization framework" mention is kinda huge, right? I mean, native Linux container support on Mac could be a game-changer for my whole workflow, maybe even making Docker less of a headache.

It's cool but also not as revolutionary as you make it sound. You can already install Podman, Orbstack or Colima right? Not sure which open-source framework they are using, but to me it seems like an OS-level integration of one of these tools. That's definitely a big win and will make things easier for developers, but I'm not sure if it's a gamechanger.

The framework that container uses is built in Swift and also open sourced today, along with the CLI tool itself: https://github.com/apple/containerization

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by pjmlp »

wmf wrote: post #76
dedicate wrote: post #19

Okay, the AI stuff is cool, but that "Containerization framework" mention is kinda huge, right? I mean, native Linux container support on Mac could be a game-changer for my whole workflow, maybe even making Docker less of a headache.

They Sherlocked OrbStack.

Microsoft did it first to Virtual Box / VMWare Workstation thought.

That is what I have been using since 2010, until WSL came to be, it has been ages since I ever dual booted.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by pjmlp »

Klonoar wrote: post #247
pjmlp wrote: post #205

WebKit is also being swiftified, as mentioned on the platforms state of the union.

As in they're integrating Swift into the WebKit project, or exposing Swift-y wrappers over WebKit itself?

There is probably going to be a session later this week, the reference seemed to imply they are integrating Swift into Webkit project for new development.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by 9dev »

literalAardvark wrote: post #156
mdaniel wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely if Windows kernel can be taught to respond to those syscalls, XNU can be taught it even easier. But, AIUI the Windows kernel already had a concept of "personalities" from back when they were trying to integrate OS/2 so that zero-to-one for XNU could be a huge lift, not the syscalls part specifically

Exactly. So it wouldn't necessarily be easier. NT is almost a microkernel.

Yep. People consistently underestimate the great piece of technology NT is, it really was ahead of its time. And a shame what Microsoft is doing with it now.

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Post by froggit »

froggit wrote: post #248
tensor wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, so they do. I assumed because you pulled in a linux distro that the kernel was from that distro is used too, but I guess not. Perhaps they have done some sort of improvement where they have one linux kernel running via the hypervisor that all containers use. Still can't see them trying to emulate linux calls, but who knows.

> I assumed because you pulled in a linux distro that the kernel was from that distro is used too, Thst's how docker works on WSL2, run it on top of a virtualised linux kernal. WSL2 is pretty tightly integrated with windows itself, stil a linux vm though. It seems kinda weird for apple to reinvent the wheel for that kind of thing for containers.

> Thst's how docker works on WSL2, run it on top of a virtualised linux kernal. WSL2 is pretty tightly integrated with windows itself, stil a linux vm though. It seems kinda weird for apple to reinvent the wheel for that kind of thing for containers.

Can't edit my posts mobile but realized that's, what's the word, not useful... But yeah, sharing the kernal between containers but otherwise makes them isolated allegedly allows them to have VMesque security without the overhead of seperate VMs for each image. There's a lot more to it, but you get the idea.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by 9dev »

pjmlp wrote: post #203
formerly_proven wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

„Container“ is sort of synonymous with „OCI-compatible container“ these days, and OCI itself is basically a retcon standard for docker (runtime, images etc.). So from that perspective every „container system“ is necessarily „docker-like“ and that means Linux namespaces and cgroups.

With a whole generation forgetting they came first in big iron UNIX like HP-UX.

Does it really matter, tho?

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Post by codethief »

Barrin92 wrote: post #169
codethief wrote: post #42

> New Design with Liquid Glass Looks like software UI design – just like fashion, film, architecture and many other fields I'm sure – has now officially entered the "nothing new under the sun" / "let's recycle ideas from xx years ago" stage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqua_%28user_interface%29 To be clear, this is just an observation, not a judgment of that change or the quality of the design by itself. I was gett…

Just one or two years ago I remember a handful of articles popping up that Gen Z was really into Frutiger Aero, that's the first thing I thought of, with the nature themes and skeuomorphic UI elements. https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/why-gen-z-infatuated-frutige... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frutiger_Aero

Thanks, I wasn't even aware the style had gotten a name in the meantime.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by 9dev »

pjmlp wrote: post #251
WhyNotHugo wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ground keeps shrinking for Docker Inc. They sold Docker Desktop for Mac, but that might start being less relevant and licenses start to drop. On Linux there’s just the cli, which they can’t afford to close since people will just move away. Docker Hub likely can’t compete with the registries built into every other cloud provider.

That is why they are now into the reinventing application servers with WebAssembly kind of vibe.

It’s really awful. There’s a certain size at which you can pivot and keep most of your dignity, but for Docker Inc., it’s just ridiculous.
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