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AI makes the humanities more important, but also weirder

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Re: AI makes the humanities more important, but also weirder

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Even the Soviet Union made people go to school, and getting a degree was a route to higher status. (there have been a few Communist revolutions against the concept of "university", for various political reasons, but China rebuilt theirs after the purges and Cambodia is a sad historical footnote)

At least in the Soviet Union, they were free...

In Soviet Union, university education free but came at cost of living in Soviet Union

- Yakov Smirnoff, probably

Re: AI makes the humanities more important, but also weirder

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I am friends with an unusually large number of professors, many of which are at very top institutions. The "make your own pedagogy" approach for students leaves huge portions of the classroom doing zero work whatsoever.

What was the point of having those students in the classroom in the first place?

There really are students that will work hard when given direction but will flounder when asked to fully self direct.

Re: AI makes the humanities more important, but also weirder

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It's really embarrassing to put a stake in these. It's like when Gary Marcus said that an image generator won't be able to draw a horse riding an astronaut and will make the astronaut ride the horse because that is a more frequent pattern in the training set. Or when an urban legend (academic legend?) started that state of the art classifiers misclassify cows when they are on sandy beaches and it only works on grass…

It is not about fundamental limitations. It is about black boxes and magic. If you don't understand a system then you know not what lurks within and how it can bite you in the ass. Black boxes break - and when they break, you are helpless. If you already know how to build software LLM are a godsend. I have actually had a quite a nice case recently when LLM invented some quite nice imaginary graphql mutators. I had en…

Yes, the consequences will be that mediocre devs will have a harder time finding jobs. The higher skilled will be fine (for some time at least), but the trend is clear. LLMs are going to make the top engineers more effective and the less skilled will have less and less to contribute. The skill floor for useful contributions is rising. Just like in other industries. Most of the world's software projects aren't at the forefront of humanity's knowledge that needs brilliant minds. It's integration, dependencies, routing around edge cases, churning out some embedded code for another device, mostly standard stuff but enough differences that previous automation paradigms couldn't handle the uniqueness. LLMs plus a few highly skilled people (who know how to prompt them effectively) will get it done in less time than a team does today.

It's not that LLMs turn low skilled people into geniuses, it's that a large segment of even those with enough cognitive skills to work in software today will no longer have marketable skill levels. The experienced good ones will have some, but a lot won't.

Re: AI makes the humanities more important, but also weirder

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1. PhD Defenses in the humanities have both a written thesis and an oral on the spot defense. You can't ChatGPT that easily because a professor will know how to curve ball to things that are seemingly unrelated but comparable to a human. 2. As an MA student I was solving semantic problems for engineers for analysis that they couldn't fathom. They were very smart at technical things (and great writers), but when langu…

I think all PhDs have an oral defense. Not only that its common to have Quals where you have to present the state of the art research in your field and answer oral questions about it. Even if you had ChatGPT it would be tough because a lot of questions are like, "Why did XYZ do ABC after seeing result 123?" The problem is that often its an untrue statement they are trying to get you to justify -- XYZ didn't do ABC or…

I have never even heard of a trick or misleading question for quals or for a defense. That’d be ridiculous. You don’t need to do that.

Re: AI makes the humanities more important, but also weirder

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> Today, engineers working on AI systems also need to think deeply and critically about the relationship between language and culture and the history and philosophy of technology. When they fail to do so, their systems literally start to break down. Perhaps so. But not in the (quasi-)academic sense that the author is thinking. It's not the lack of an engineer's academic knowledge in history and philosophy that makes…

>The emerging generation of historians will simply take it for granted that they can create their own custom research and teaching tools and deploy them at will, more or less for free. And they will spend 12 hours trying to figure out which is the fake python library and the citation that the LLM has hallucinated from the real one. Vibe coding is just WYSIWYG on steroids in good and bad. WYSIWYG didn't go anywhere.

I am generally pretty skeptical of ai coding. At my job I’m resisting it pretty constantly. However, my wife is a historian with minimal programming skills and these tools have allowed her to build some things that she’d never have been able to build without them (without spending a thoroughly unreasonable amount of time learning). Sometimes she comes to me with some code that is clearly just totally wrong but most of the time she’s able to stumble her way to something useful for exploring her documents and data. Then we just do a code review before anything goes into a publication to check that it is actually doing what she intends.

Re: AI makes the humanities more important, but also weirder

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> Do you reject the idea that some people are better at things than others? No. Of course not. > 99% of people simply can’t learn the same level of mathematics that a pure mathematician does Why would this be a requirement for all citizens? Perhaps you misunderstood "demonstrate the same level of mastery". I meant that there would be a specified minimum requirement, though we definitely shouldn't set the bar too low.…

How do you decide who to filter into the more difficult and faster-paced classes that will prepare someone to be a pure mathematician, other than grades?

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "filter into" or at what level or stage of classes you're referring to.

To a large extent, it's self-filtering: who is going to voluntarily take advanced math classes except those who are intered in advanced math?

There are of course larger societal questions of how much schooling is funded by the government and how much needs to be self-funded.

I don't know if this is what you're talking about, but I had to take the Graduate Records Exam in order to get into grad school. But the GRE is not taught or administered by the university, so in that sense it's not part of the educational system. You don't actually have to be in the math department to take an advanced math class, though, and other students may take the classes as part of a PhD minor or just for some other interest.

Re: AI makes the humanities more important, but also weirder

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Before college was a means to get a job, it was status signalling for the upper class by showing they could spend 4 years not working and learning things with no economic value that few could afford. There was never a time when a large portion of society went to school past 18 for any reason other than economic or status gain, and why should they?

Learning stuff is cool?

I think learning stuff and making art just for the hell of it is going to become a lot more accepted as society continues on and more and more peoples' jobs get automated away. Obviously that's a huge simplification of a much more complex situation, but in general I think the best future is one where people are free to pursue interests without regard for those interests ability to pay for their food and housing.

Re: AI makes the humanities more important, but also weirder

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I have no doubt AI will impact the field, as it will many (most) others. That said, some assertions that may warrant reconsideration IMO:

> The machines best us across nearly every subject

This feels overstated, given the well-known limitations of AI in reasoning, factual reliability, and depth in specialized domains

Describing traditional scholarship as mere "archaeological artifacts" feels like prematurely dismissing the enduring value of books and other research practices

- The idea that AI offers "pure attention" seems to romanticize what is, in essence, statistical pattern recognition...potentially misrepresenting the nature of the exchange

> Factory-style scholarly productivity was never the essence of the humanities

maybe inadvertent, but devalues serious academic work that follows rigorous, methodical research traditions

Beyond that, there's a few claims that would benefit from some additional evidence:

- student paralysis rely heavily on anecdote; broader empirical data across varied institutions would strengthen the case - His comparisons between AI and human experts feel selective...would be interested to see a more systematic evaluation to see where AI meaningfully matches or falls short of expert performance

- I'm somewhat partial to the author's view, but in terms of long-term educational outcomes, no real evidence to show that AI integration improves learning or contributes meaningfully to human development - the idea of a "singularity of self-consciousness" is pretty... under-argued? - The supposed link between declining humanities enrollment and AI's potential lacks concrete data to support the correlation

Re: AI makes the humanities more important, but also weirder

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Our modern education system in the US is broken, but acting as if AI is a scapegoat is comical. Capitalism is what has destroyed higher education in this country. The concept of going to school to get a job isn’t a failure of education but of economics. AI is just another capitalist tool made to not only extract wealth out of you but something that they want you to rely on more and more so they can charge you even mo…

Before college was a means to get a job, it was status signalling for the upper class by showing they could spend 4 years not working and learning things with no economic value that few could afford. There was never a time when a large portion of society went to school past 18 for any reason other than economic or status gain, and why should they?

Economic OR status gain is putting a lot of work on the or.

We've put into place a context for intellectual achievement at scale. Why shouldn't status be apportioned to someone who is recognized by a panel of peers and teachers to have useful insight into their field?

Re: AI makes the humanities more important, but also weirder

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> where all you got was the outline of the island As a blind person I can't help but notice that this "innovative" question design is inherently inaccessible to people like me. Yes, I know I'm not the norm. However, I can't help but notice that this avoidance of text based assignments is making accessible teaching even more impossible. Say welcome to a new generation of Digital Divide.

The good news is that avoiding text-based assignments isn't likely to last. Multimodal agents should be more than capable of identifying islands by shape, or will be soon.

I gave Gemini a mockup of a UI and it generated the stupid thing perfectly in code and CSS. Recognizing an island seems trivial in comparison.
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