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Post by myko »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #200
overfeed wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> $40 billion for twitter is a steal How so, when they could have paid around $300M for the data? Telegram may even be more valuable in terms of conversations, because Twitter data has very low signal:noise ratio - such as replies whose entirity are 3-word sentences or just emojis

I don't know about you but many of my messages are 1-3 emojis. Not that it matters, that is an easy thing to filter out of training data. Elon's election-buying effort was certainly assisted by the Twitter purchase. And look how few (formerly) blue checks have left the platform despite his antics.

Definitely a good investment in taking over the presidency of the United States, but I don't feel like many bluechecks are still on Twitter? The platform feels dead, you can't even access it without logging in.

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Post by kurisufag »

alterom wrote: post #210
hintymad wrote: post #192

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I really don't get the sentiment of everything Russia. Russia has the GDP of a province of China. Russia does not have a thriving manufacturing sector. Russia has increasingly less influence or power over the world. Why would powerful people in the US succumb to to Russia's influence? That just does not make sense. If anything, maybe the Lenin-loving Stalin-admiring Marxists would love Russia, like half of the univer…

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> This is not a sentence in English.

> I'll be here at day.

i hate to heckle, but... :)

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Post by hnfever »

FredPret wrote: post #234
hnfever wrote: post #221

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>Stages currently active in SA: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6. Actually, genocide watch says only stage 6 is present in SA. https://www.genocidewatch.com/country-pages/south-africa For comparison they list 3 different signs for an active genocide against black americans.

You need to make your way through 1-5 to get to 6, but I specifically excluded 5 (organization of militias). There are rumours of this but if it's true, these militias must be very secret indeed. One problem is that violent criminals run rampant and the state seemingly has little desire to stop them, and zero capacity to do so. Meanwhile prominent politicians sing songs whose lyrics include machine gun sounds and cal…

>You need to make your way through 1-5 to get to 6

This isn't true. As the genocide watch page says "The process is not linear."

White South Africans are less likely to be victims of crime, make more money, live longer, and are over-represented among corporate and political leadership. Taking steps to undo the damage done by apartheid isn't fucked up, it's necessary as evidenced by the aforementioned inequalities.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by nickpsecurity »

machomaster wrote: post #211
sorokod wrote: post #179

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> Telegram also has a large amount of users in countries with heavy censorship and surveillance That citizens of those countries are allowed to use Telegram says something about the privacy it affords to them.

You don't know what you are talking about. Read on the multi-year attempts of Putin trying to ban Telegram and Telegram fighting back (technologically and also politically - demonstrations, etc). Telegram won the battle and Putin had no choice but to admit defeat. Similar things happened in other non-free coutries as well.

I'll warn that the FBI was publicly trying to get warrants for information while they and NSA were siphoning it off in secret from the same companies. One was likely a cover for the other.

Unless there's legal protections, assume in your threat model any company has let their host government, maybe others, backdoor their offerings. It might have been willingly or forced. Police states like U.S. and Russia should be assumed to subvert any pprovider.

If they don't like that, they need to repeal the Patriot Act, ban requiring companies to attach black boxes to their internal systems, give companies immunity for publicly talking about court orders, require companies to disclose what data they give to the government, and let individuals know what was ordered after a period of time. Then, I might trust statements about what they do or don't share.

Also, if these bother you, try not to commit crimes.

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Post by Vilian »

ben_w wrote: post #224
Vilian wrote: post #176

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Signal and matrix probably

I was about to suggest Discord, but then I checked the news and it looks like that company is also in the middle of its own mid-life crisis?

Discord is even worse than telegram

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Post by overfeed »

ryandrake wrote: post #218
overfeed wrote: post #207

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FOMO. Everyone is trying to landgrab as much territory as possible with the hope of piles and piles of money in the future. What looks like irrational exuberance to sceptics is a perfectly reasonable attempt to not miss out on the next "iPhone moment" by the believers.

But the land they're grabbing is desert with no water and no access roads. Does anyone besides the few with their wealth invested in AI believe that AI is the next iPhone moment?

> Does anyone besides the few with their wealth invested in AI believe that AI is the next iPhone moment?

It doesn't matter because for such an industry-wide hype, there are no consequences for being wrong. If a CEO ignores AI and it does become the next iPhone moment, they'll be deposed in short order. If "everyone" is wrong and nothing comes off AI, they'll write off some investments, write some "What we learned" LinkedIn posts, and carry on. Our existing framework has no incentives to correct or innoculate agaisnt hypes led by the management/capital classes

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Post by splatter9859 »

Hoasi wrote: post #212
Suppafly wrote: post #171

If this is something their users actually wanted, they'd be paying xAI, not the other way around.

Exactly, but what users want is not part of this equation.

Never usually is with Musk and his platforms. Both X and Tesla's software stack clearly show this readily. He has other purposes in mind.

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Post by jaoane »

taurath wrote: post #109

This just made a whole ton of people I know on telegram (furries who make the internets go) immediately accelerate their movement off the platform. I found out about this news because of some backup signal rooms started sending notifications. They need to get ahead of the privacy implications and quickly. Furries are basically the roma of the internet at this point - what they value hasn't changed (anonymity, moderat…

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Post by fundad »

spwa4 wrote: post #168
iamtheworstdev wrote: post #61

the good news is that when this doesn't yield any positive results for xAI and they need a bailout then they'll get bought by Tesla, and Elon is saved once again.

Reference to: * https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceqjq11202ro (xAI bought Twitter) * https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/01/elon-musk... (Tesla bought solarcity) Effectively, of course, Twitter and Solarcity went bankrupt. That's what really happened. I hope the CxO's at companies realize this, and so realize that Musk's big plan for Twitter ("just fire everyone, keep collecting the income") had a slight…

It wasn't about revenue, it was about a massive propaganda and surveillance apparatus.
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