Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

Post by skarz » Tue, May 27, 2025, 3:37 PM UTC

fidotron wrote: post #73

vessenes wrote: post #39

I was unaware of this controversy so in brief: 1. La Liga (Spanish Football) finds pirates streaming their games objectionable 2. They notice that many of these streamers use Cloudflare for something, presumably CDN and load balancing. 3. They appear in court in Spain and get an ex-parte TRO blocking all Cloudflare IPs. (Ex parte TRO: restraining order granted without Cloudflare being summoned to court) 4. Based on t…

> 2. They notice that many of these streamers use Cloudflare for something, presumably CDN and load balancing. And DDoS protection. Sports broadcast piracy has a history of serious organized crime involvement, and then some, such as https://www.theregister.com/2002/03/13/murdoch_company_crack... where the allegation was NDS did the hacking and leaked the keys of the rival tech to various mob groups for exploitation.

Post by neilv » Tue, May 27, 2025, 3:58 PM UTC

brookst wrote: post #246

neilv wrote: post #226

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I would be thrilled if this one pest control company stopped kicking puppies. I bet they could figure out a way to check for fleas that doesn't involve kicking puppies. But I don't want to get into the flea-checking business myself.

“I’m pretty sure they’re doing it wrong but can’t be bothered to figure out a better way” is not super persuasive.

Post by lesuorac » Tue, May 27, 2025, 4:11 PM UTC

skarz wrote: post #251

fidotron wrote: post #73

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> 2. They notice that many of these streamers use Cloudflare for something, presumably CDN and load balancing. And DDoS protection. Sports broadcast piracy has a history of serious organized crime involvement, and then some, such as https://www.theregister.com/2002/03/13/murdoch_company_crack... where the allegation was NDS did the hacking and leaked the keys of the rival tech to various mob groups for exploitation.

And not just DDoS protection, but privacy. Cloudflare offers a huge amount of privacy protection which causes huge headaches for IP holders. You can read online about the feedback loop of Cloudflare/OVH for example sending automated notices back and forth. Usually the process is: 1. IP holder representative sends notice to Cloudflare 2. Cloudflare sends automated notice to account manager 3. Cloudflare informs person…

Post by johnisgood » Tue, May 27, 2025, 5:11 PM UTC

twixfel wrote: post #256

johnisgood wrote: post #254

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How did you come to this conclusion? By Hungary's refusal to send weapons and money to fund the war?

No. I don't care if Hungary doesn't want to defend Europe, but it shouldn't get in the way of others doing do. It shouldn't block sanctions, it shouldn't block funds going to Ukraine. Europe is under attack and Hungary is implicitly helping Russia.

Post by computerthings » Tue, May 27, 2025, 5:55 PM UTC

johnisgood wrote: post #254

twixfel wrote: post #112

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Why put Hungary in scare quotes? It's right wing nationalist and undermining our (Europe's) defence against the ultrafascist Russian hordes invading from the East. It's not the same.

How did you come to this conclusion? By Hungary's refusal to send weapons and money to fund the war?