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Material 3 Expressive

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Post by Nickersf »

bflesch wrote: post #120

How did these clowns manage to make my mouse cursor laggy? It is incomprehensible for me to live in such a big bubble with such a big paycheck and then spend zero brainpower on systems without graphics acceleration. This is extremely bad engineering and these engineers should be called out for it. It takes a special kind of person to deliver this and be proud of it. Once they made their millions at Google these engin…

Not just the technical aspect here. I read through the page and nothing of any measurable importance was stated. What problems did this solve? What benefits does this bring to users? I guess I was expecting more from Google. The initial Material design system made some good points and addressed some issues for UI design. This just seems unfocused.

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Post by bsimpson »

apt-apt-apt-apt wrote: post #86

These don't increase usability much for me. Since long ago and still now, I had good ideas for usability (self-judged) and would have loved to have worked on them at Google to beat iOS perhaps. But their leetcode interviews (for SWE, not design) completely barred me from stepping foot in and being able to suggest changes. Perhaps I'm just another soul who thinks they have valuable ideas. But this makes me wonder how…

Have you looked into UX Engineering? It's a discipline for people whose expertise spans engineering and interaction design (e.g. might have been in one of those roles at companies that don't have UXE). It's been a while since I've interviewed, but I found the questions to be fair and not at all "leetcodey."

It's also an important niche - people who learned to build things because they like to make, not because they found CS interesting. UXEs tend to be versatile people who can not only flex in a lot of roles, but are also good at translating the expectations of one role so someone in another role will understand.

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Post by bsimpson »

throwingrocks wrote: post #193

This comment section is predictably boring and shows that HN isn’t always a great place for discourse. Change is hard, I guess.

I've noticed that lately too.

And any thread with a political tinge has a comment section indistinguishable from Reddit, complete with the doomerism.

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Post by idkalexj »

freedomben wrote: post #234

I have two thoughts that keep jumping out at me from this. This criticism isn't meant solely for Material 3, but it does seem a good example. 1. Since the beginning of "mobile first" being rapidly shoved on us (and side-note, god our industry seems to love bandwagoning the new shiny stuff), I've noticed the slow but inevitable (with a northstar like that) decline and neglect of desktop interfaces. Viewing this websit…

Im right there with you. I loathe the "embigification" guised as mobile first for desktop experiences. Mice are precise and allow for dense design (which i prefer).

Re the data point, what an amateur stance from the google research team... "found the button 4x faster" as their "look at how much better it is!" metric? If you make the button take up 90% of the screen and you will get the same result but even FASTER, WOW such productivity! What terrible methodology.

I also cant help but notice how much usable information space has now been gobbled up compared from left to right, hope you enjoy writing emails in tiny bubbles.

Also, the new problem they just invented is its now harder to decipher what is a ui element vs a graphic/decoration. I am all for seeing some risk taking but im not sure i agree with the basis for "why this is a good direction".

Google been taking a lot of Ls IMO on the design side, every new guideline push makes google things feel big and clunky. Best example is the google fonts website, the previous version was a work of art, now its just awful (functionally and aesthetically IMO)

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Post by astrolx »

bflesch wrote: post #120

How did these clowns manage to make my mouse cursor laggy? It is incomprehensible for me to live in such a big bubble with such a big paycheck and then spend zero brainpower on systems without graphics acceleration. This is extremely bad engineering and these engineers should be called out for it. It takes a special kind of person to deliver this and be proud of it. Once they made their millions at Google these engin…

OMG I thought it was something wrong on my end, privacy add-on or whatnot. Glad to see they just lost it.

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Post by nottorp »

So why does it have to be emotional instead of, say, useful?

I suppose I should commend them for that page only bringing up Firefox to 53% CPU when I scroll.

Wait, this is mac os on a m3 pro so that means it uses ... 5 to 6 cores?

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