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Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by nico »

corlinp wrote: post #159
kelseyfrog wrote: post #91

The real potential of tools like Suno isn’t in cranking out radio-ready hits. It’s in creating music that doesn't have commercial incentives to exist. Case in point: Functional Music. I started using it to generate songs that reinforce emotional regulation strategies -things like grounding, breathwork, staying present. Not instructional tracks, which would be unbearable, but actual songs with lyrics that reflect actu…

I used Suno to generate rap versions of Feynman's first lecture. It turned out really well! https://suno.com/playlist/d2886382-bcb9-4d6d-8d7a-78625adcbe...

Wow, love it, so good!

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by riedel »

arnaudsm wrote: post #20

The biggest impact Generative Music had on my life was for wedding skits. Families that wanted a funny song about the bride filled with anecdotes didn't need talent anymore. The first time I heard it, it was incredible. The 2nd wedding that did it, it started to feel boring. The 3rd time, everyone hated it. Similar to image-generation, we're getting tired really fast of cookie-cutter art. I don't know how to feel abo…

Our daughter's kindergarten has their own generated hymn. The kids love it. In times the teachers rarely have musical skills it compensates for this.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by ranger_danger »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #208
XenophileJKO wrote: post #205

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:) I'll bite... https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c0cb1fd881919867820db3ee3850 https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c027e10c8191936ac1e86adb5bcd https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815bf6174488191b2b93498059c4352 https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815be7921b4819191544de9f06b336f https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815bf16568081918ef3d26d0572701d https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c00655888191a717f4ef8f895af3 https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c0583198819184c4f01b8fa26ae0 https…

You're not making art, you're running prompts through a meme picture generator. Like I said, you know nothing about making art. (Not a big deal, not everybody needs to.) In an alternative parallel universe we might have gotten actual AI tools for making art - these would be various infilling plugins, basically. ("Make me a Photoshop brush that paints pine-needle looking spiky things", that sort of thing.) What we got…

Arguing about what "art" is is a tale as old as time, relax. Your own perspective is not the only valid one that can exist.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by kelseyfrog »

bsenftner wrote: post #221
kelseyfrog wrote: post #91

The real potential of tools like Suno isn’t in cranking out radio-ready hits. It’s in creating music that doesn't have commercial incentives to exist. Case in point: Functional Music. I started using it to generate songs that reinforce emotional regulation strategies -things like grounding, breathwork, staying present. Not instructional tracks, which would be unbearable, but actual songs with lyrics that reflect actu…

Have you heard of "Conscious Rap"? It's the practice of creating rap music around the topics one wants to be educated, and then listening to it ambiently. That subgenre has many tendrils, as people with unrealized lyric talent make raps about politics, finance, how to maintain, and developing critical thinking skills and then in the Conscious Rap social media sharing sites their personal music takes off.

That's new to me! Do you have any recommendations or starting points you could suggest? It's a fascinating use of music

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by ofrzeta »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #198
ofrzeta wrote: post #68

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I tested around five genres although they were more mainstream than what you picked and they were quite good, for instance French Ska. If someone told me it was an actual French Ska band I wouldn't have doubted it. Or Klezmer music, but maybe the Jiddish wasn't totally correct.

All of the non-English lyrics are so cringe as to border on intentional parody.

Good call. Need to test some songs in my mother tongue.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by natdempk »

killerstorm wrote: post #145

I'd be a lot more interested in AI which can take existing music as the base. I don't want a new song, I want to hear music I love in a new way. Like img2img but track2track.

Check out audio upload with the Cover/Extend/Persona features on Suno. You can do a lot of stuff based on existing uploaded audio already.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by linotype »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #115
linotype wrote: post #105

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Would you mind making these available to others?

Sure! I "re-mastered" my mini-album with v4.5 since that's more in the spirit of the discussion. https://suno.com/playlist/e6c3f3d1-a746-4106-bea1-e36073d227... Side note: It feels a little vulnerable to be sharing these. They genuinely helped me through difficult times and I wasn't really expecting anyone else to ever listen to them.

Thank you!

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by juliag2 »

velcrobeg wrote: post #243
juliag2 wrote: post #216

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This raises deep questions: What even is creativity? How does taste emerge? Is it just the accumulation of your experiences and your genetics, or is there something else to it? If it's just experiences and genetics, AI will probably outpace humans at some point, because these are just very sophisticated patterns. And if it's not, we would have to assume something metaphysical, for which we do not have evidence. This…

I like this take. if LLMs = average of human culture like tern said, then taste = the ability to create and recognize the above average (and best), right? can AI recognize what is best? can AI create what is recognized as best? (you know how vast majority of humans think they are above average drivers?)

I think that begs the question, what is 'average' or 'best'? It's music enjoyed by many people. Why do they enjoy it? Because it matches their taste in music. I think we're ultimately going to get super-personalised recommendations and even original artworks tailored exactly to what we like. The true challenge in implementing this will be to find a way to 'generalise taste adaptation'. Creating a model that can adapt to any person's taste based on as little information as possible. I think that will give us very deep insights into how our preferences are formed as research progresses.

I'm sometimes scared that life will loose its spark when AI is just able to solve any problem better or faster than humans. I think music generation is scary, because music is often created using your intuition, rather than relying on general principles or strict rules alone. Intuition feels almost magical, because it feels like you somehow just know the right thing to do, without having to reason about it. If AI gained this hard-to-grasp 'intuition', that would reveal that we are just biological machines after all, and intuition is simply a sophisticated hidden pattern.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by juliag2 »

nikkwong wrote: post #223
juliag2 wrote: post #211

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I tried AI music for the first time today and I can definitely see why people say it feels bland, because it does. But most of what's on the radio today feels bland to me too. You're right - I don't really care if the track playing in my favourite cafe is AI-generated or not. You're not supposed to be emotionally invested into background music, it's music for a simple purpose and for most people, AI can fill that pur…

Honestly, AI-created music in physical spaces has the potential to be even better than what currently exists. Imagine in real time being able to create a soundtrack that matches the mood and vibe of the current atmosphere. When the crowd is bustling, have the audio match that; tone it down when the night wears on, the people have disbursed. Sometimes you go into a Starbucks late at night in Tokyo and they're blasting…

Sounds sort of 'cyberpunk-ish' to me, an AI nightclub. I think I'm neutral on this, but it will be interesting to see what we will do with it.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by velcrobeg »

juliag2 wrote: post #258
velcrobeg wrote: post #243

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I like this take. if LLMs = average of human culture like tern said, then taste = the ability to create and recognize the above average (and best), right? can AI recognize what is best? can AI create what is recognized as best? (you know how vast majority of humans think they are above average drivers?)

I think that begs the question, what is 'average' or 'best'? It's music enjoyed by many people. Why do they enjoy it? Because it matches their taste in music. I think we're ultimately going to get super-personalised recommendations and even original artworks tailored exactly to what we like. The true challenge in implementing this will be to find a way to 'generalise taste adaptation'. Creating a model that can adapt…

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